Why the Tears?
Posted at 3:36 pm October 4, 2007 by Ellie RosenbaumSo much sadness after yesterday’s news that Mei Sheng had his pre-ship physical. Hold on, there! He’s not gone yet, and while I cling to the fragile (and probably false) hope that perhaps his departure might be delayed, we’ve known for months that he was leaving in October and that his genetic destiny was to return to Wolong and spread those genes to the captive population. Suzanne and several correspondents have indicated that while it’s not easy to get to Wolong, it’s not the edge of the Earth; far from it, especially from a panda perspective. It’s remote and rugged, green and gorgeous and, as at many of the U.S. research stations, everything at Wolong is truly all about the bears. Sheng will remain at the San Diego Zoo until his departure, and we’ll continue to keep you updated on the antics of all the bears here.
Speaking of that, it’s been a week or so since Sheng and Su Lin enjoyed their overnight arboreal adventures. If you’ll remember, they resulted in the installation of a new tree guard in Sheng’s area. The update, no surprise, is that within 48 hours he’d mastered the technique for climbing over the new “obstruction” as well. What a guy!
We here at the Zoo look forward to seeing many of you between October 5 and 14 as you deliver your suggestions for the name of our newest baby girl. The selection process will move forward with all deliberate speed: since the Little One is 9 weeks old, that doesn’t leave many weeks until she will need a real name.
Remember - once the final list of names is compiled, we are counting on YOU to help select the right one via an online poll, so keep checking the Panda Cam page!
Ellie Rosenbaum is a panda narrator at the San Diego Zoo.
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October 4th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
Losing Sheng is just like sending your kid off to college. It rips your heart out, but you know it’s for the better. He, I’m quite sure will do fine.
Saw the video on Bright Star. Just too cute. She sure is squirmy and loud. If you listen closely, you can hear several different blets.
Just so darn cute.
October 4th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
While I am sad that Mei Sheng is leaving the U.S., I am excited that next October, I will be at the Giant Panda Research Center in Wolong, so I will get to check on him. I will be taking a tour that allows me to volunteer at the Center for three days and get up close and personal with the pandas.
October 4th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Thanks Ellie for the information.
I think it is like so many other things we humans go through…
We know when we have babies, they grow up and leave. That is what we want for them, but no matter how long we have had to prepare, it still is quite difficult and sad for us.
At least we know that Sheng will be well-cared for and we will get updates on him. I mean, all we really want for him is to be happy?!! But, it’s still sad to see him leave us. — Joy
October 4th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
Hi Ellie,
Thanks for cheering us up a little. We felt so sad to read that Mei Sheng’s departure is so imminent. We will miss him very much.
We had a feeling that Mei Sheng would figure out a way to get around that tree guard. As mentioned in a previous blog, we witnessed one of Mei’s escape from his exhibit when he was a year old. He certainly kept the panda keepers on their toes at all times! We’ll miss his escapades.
Did Mei Sheng like the new foods introduced into his diet in preparation for his journey? The baked bread sounds tasty and very nutritious - hope he enjoys them during his trip home.
Mei Sheng, you are a very special panda and we know you will be loved in Wolong and well-cared for by your Chinese Keepers. We will miss you here in San Diego and love you.
Safe trip Mei Sheng and Godspeed. Rose, Sarah & Olivia
October 4th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
Oh God! I hate to think about his departure although it’s eminent! I will certainly miss him greatly. Saw him for about 5 days straight back in September. So thankful that I got the chance, but can’t help the flow of tears falling…
Mei Sheng, baby boy, you will be greatly missed and thought of daily in our household. We have many great pictures of you since you were a cub til now. May the Lord richly bless you, keep you, and make His face shine upon you, and give you peace, great prosperity, and longevity. WE will always love you, kiddo!
Have a safe journey to China, and may you have many wonderful offsprings!
October 5th, 2007 at 4:50 am
Well, at least his fans can still see him! I have not yet been to the San Diego Zoo.
October 5th, 2007 at 8:06 am
Thanks, Ellie, for reminding us to keep a calm, cool head. He isn’t gone yet, so that must mean that he is back on exhibit after his “check up/out” with the Vets. How long will your Wolong visitors be here. Presumably they have already been here for several weeks getting to know Mei Sheng and letting him get acclimated to them, their accent, scent, commands, techniques, etc. One of you mentioned switching some of Sheng’s training techniques months ago to match more closely those used at Wolong. When do you get him accustomed to their “cakes/loafs” instead of the leaf-eater biscuits you use? Or does that happen gradually once he gets to Wolong? Is he now accustomed to strange noises around his “crate” such as chains, moving vehicles, etc? Is his crate large enough that you have to stand on top of it like Gram’s? The one I saw at NZP that Ling Ling came in, appeared to be small enough that it could be closed from beside it, not on top of it. Do you also take him for
“rides” in it so that he is used to the motion as well as the crate? He will be moving quite a bit on the way to and from the airports and on his long journey by truck up to the mountains. I am guessing that one of the reasons the head Vet accompanies him from US to Wolong is to monitor his stress level and do whatever is medically necessary to be sure he is healthy and safe. He is obviously “special cargo” and price-less animal for them to send their head Vet to accompany him on the trip. From the video I saw of Mei Xiang’s and Tian Tian’s trip from Wolong to DC, they got red carpet 1st class extraordinare treatment. They had constant human companions within yards of their cages, and were fed their favorite treats all the way. From what I read about the recent journey of the two pandas from China to Spain, they also had great treatment. They said the female had some stress, primarily because she is only two years old. Is that one of the reasons that the research “rental” agreements specify that the cubs will go to China when they are two years old? The thinking being that they might be more flexible, therefore less stressed at the younger age? However, I notice that none of them have gone before they are 4.
Has anyone been studying the stress levels and behaviors of the various pandas that have left China to go to research institutions in other countries around the world? Also, some traveling back such as Shi Shi? My guess again is yes, because it is critical that their needs are taken care of so that none of them suffers adversely and possibly permanent conditions that could result. Have any notable differences in their reactions at mature adult vs. adolescents been found?
October 5th, 2007 at 8:12 am
Conversation with Bright Star #5
Keeper: (whisper)
Vet: (whisper)
Bright Star: AaaaaAAAAAAAHHH! (GRAY [green equivalent] TOWEL! EEEEEK! MAA-MAA! MAA-MAA!)
Vet: [Oops! Karaoke through the stethoscope. Never mind.]
(back in the den)
Bai Yun: Dear, dear. What was the matter, dear?
Bright Star: Sob! I was so scared. I was so lost.
Bai Yun: Oh, don’t be afraid. Mama’s right here.
Bright Star: And I thought I was in the wrong hotel room!
October 5th, 2007 at 8:59 am
Thank you soooo much for the additional information. I am so happy that I was at SDZ in July and got to see not only Su Lin but Mei Sheng too!! I was at SDZ when Sheng was still a “twinkle” in Bai’s eyes and was so pleased that I got to see the big guys in person!!!
It is sad that he has to return to his ancestral grounds, but it is truly for the best. SDZ staff have done such a wonderful job with taking care of and helping to raise these oh SO PRECIOUS animals, that it is okay that Sheng is going home. It is always hard to say so long to family - but it is not good-bye! He is going to take his excellent, strong genes and make stronger Pandas so that they will again flourish!!
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you SDZ staff. You are truly wonderful people!!!
God Bless Sheng!! Safe Travels!!
October 5th, 2007 at 9:03 am
Great shot of Bai Yun sleeping in the door of the den with little one cuddled next to her neck.
October 5th, 2007 at 9:07 am
How about Peaceful Moon? I like the peaceful star idea too.
October 5th, 2007 at 9:47 am
Thank you Ellie, you have made Mei Sheng’s leaving a little easier. I still get teary-eyed though, as I do love that guy. He will always have a place in my heart as he was the first panda I watched from his birth. He has grown into a very wonderful specimen of what a 4-year old panda should be. He will be missed because he has always seemed so special. I wish him Godspeed on his journey, and know that he will be loved in Wolong, too, as they will recognize what a very special panda he is.
October 5th, 2007 at 10:09 am
P Wong thank you for the interpretation of Chubmuffins last exam. It made me laugh very hard.
October 5th, 2007 at 10:19 am
#11 Margaret. It’s harder to pronounce Peaceful Moon “Ning Yue” (”Yue” [moon] is pronounced something like yoo-UH). Bright Moon (”Ming Yue” or “Yue Liang”) is easier and flows better in Mandarin. “Mei Yue”, Beautiful (or American) Moon, flows well, too. “Lan Yue” is Blue Moon, “Xin Yue” (”Xin” pronounced “seen”) is New Moon. Oh, we can go on and on…
Someone earlier mentioned “Sun Moon Stars.” And indeed there was a 20th Century Chinese novel “Xing Xing Yue Liang Tai Yang” (Stars Moon Sun). So if a longer name is allowed, that would be interesting since it has a nice ring in Chinese.
October 5th, 2007 at 10:27 am
thanks, ellie, for giving us a clearer perspective. i went to see mei sheng yesterday, said my farewells, and took what may be my final photographs of him. how could i be sad when, next door, i saw su lin sleeping on her back on a tree stump, her head hanging upside down! she looked so silly and so cute. they’re all adorable!
October 5th, 2007 at 10:43 am
Thanks for the information on Wolong–it’s reassuring to know more about where precious, adored Mei Sheng is going to live. May everyone’s love and devotion for this wonderful panda surround and protect him on his long journey. We love you, beautiful boy, and wish you all the best in your new home.
Wow..has our little cubbette filled out! In the latest pictures she’s such darling fluff ball. When I looked at pandacam a short time ago, I thought for a second that the close-up of the baby lying on her side was Bai Yun (lots of white bottom!). Glad to hear her vocalizing in the exam–the smart girl noticed right away that she wasn’t at home.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Ellie,
Thank you. I know Wolong is ths best place and I wish Mei Sheng could play with another boys.
I can’t imagine how hard will be to all of you Panda Staff to say goodbye.
You have looked after this boy with love since birth and witnessed every milestone,antics.
It’s not easy to say “goodbye my son”.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Thanks P Wong for the lesson in Mandarin Chinese. It helps to have language experts “close by” when we are thinking up names for wee one.
I learn so much from these blogs, I can’t imagine how I lived for so many years in total ignorance of their existence.
October 5th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Ellie,
Although I knew this was coming it does not make it any easier.
I am still crying over Hua Mei and she has been gone almost 4 years.
I took video of her in the exhibit on the day before she left and I have yet to see it.
As hard as that was, it is worse with Mei Sheng, he is such a wonderful Panda.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
A photo of Bright Star’s latest exam was on CNN yesterday - how our cubbette has grown & then to read that she was most unhappy with her exam - she can be feisty when she wants.
October 5th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
It is great to know that Baibee’s eyes (peepers) and eyes are fully functioning and that she is starting to see her surroundings and know she isn’t where she is used to being. Also great to know that mom (Bai Yun) is close by listening carefully, and is quick to come to her side as soon as she can get to her.
She looks, sounds, and acts like she is a very vigorous and rapidly growing and developing cub. Her eyes were noticably open wider this week, so no wonder that she could tell with all the bright light that she was in a strange place. Besides, did you see that needle, no animal loves shots!
October 5th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
“Mei Yue”, Beautiful (or American) Moon, is lovely. What about “Mei Xing”– would that be Beautiful (or American) Star?
In the naming process for Su Lin, one of the options was “Jiao Mei: sweet and charming.” Many of us liked the idea of connecting the name to Bai Yun’s other cubs–Hua Mei and Mei Sheng–and also the USA.
Hope to get to the zoo soon to say farewell and good luck to Mei Sheng. He has a special place in my heart because he was born the same year as my son.
October 5th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
Oh, our poor Baibee! She wasn’t too happy with her latest exam, now that she can see what’s going on — I wonder if the bright lights bothered her eyes, they must be very sensitive as they are so new. But I’m sure that she will come to regard the wonderful Dr. Sutherland-Smith as one of her best friends before very long.
I have watched ZA panda cam since Mei Lan came on the scene and the pandas absolutely love that hammock they have. I wonder if SDZ ever considers building something like that for the pandas here? It definitely keeps them on camera, rather than high in the trees!
I also want to than P Wong for the always sweet and entertaining interviews with our darling Baibee!
October 5th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
It’s so sad to know he’s leaving. But I know he will have a blast in his new home. But we will miss him. Perhaps for those of us across the country, we could see a bit of him on pandacam before he leaves. That would be nice.
Godspeed little man Sheng.
October 5th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
I can’t believe that Mei Sheng is leaving for China. I know it is in the best interest of the Pandas but I want to be a little selfish when it comes to Mei Sheng. I (WE) have watched him from the moment he was born. On nights I couldn’t sleep I would log on to watch Bai with her baby boy, cuddling and playing for hours. We all watched his first steps and eating his 1st treats and his excitement with the snow. I just would like to know that he will be safe and made to feel like he never left. Will there be anyone that will speak in English to him? I haven’t been this heart broken since I had to put my cat, of 12 years, to sleep.
We are all so attached to this little ray of sunshine who brightened up the world. I wish he didn’t have to go. Mei Sheng, we all love you so much!!!
October 5th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Fat Soh—suggested name for panda cub #4. Is that mean?
October 5th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
Dear Panda Fans and especially P Wong,
I can see the headlines now:
My Mom will call the little baby “Star Bright” when I converse with her. She’s 85 so I chuckle and correct her to say Bright Star. Does the Mandarin of Star Bright translate to the reverse of Bright Star? I kind of adore the xing being pronounced with the ‘z’…..as in that old standard: ‘Zing went the strings of my heart’.
I do think it would be lotsafun to nickname little miss ‘Zing’. I cannot wait to see what the voting options are!
And! Thank You at SDZ for having Mr. Mei Sheng in the background again during the latest interview about the baby. What a kick he is!!! I hope Woolong has put up tree guards….They are going to need them; especially once Sheng has taught his new buddies how to really climb high
Mei Sheng has created an Olympic competition for Giant Pandas at the games! And another ‘event’ which would be grand fun to watch would be how-many-circles-does-a-baby-panda-make-before-she-takes-a-nap. I think little Bright Star would win hands down!
Thank You All at the SDZ for the Loving care you have given ALL the Pandas!
Sincerely,
Bobbie Wood
October 5th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
From what I have read about the Wolong Reserach Center (though it is a sad word for all of us) - it’s the closest to the wild a captive born panda can get. As great as the SDZ is the panda exhibits are small in comparison to the areas they have to roam in Wolong. Our beloved MeiSheng will have a ball there - so many friends to make & the panda kindergarden is a riot to watch - though am not sure I agree with separating cubs from their mothers so young - maybe a reason why they are not able to mate - I agree with Margaret about transporting Mei - he’ll have red carpet treatment all the way. I also watched the video of MeiXiang & Tian Tian’s trip to the US. Seemed like the pandas got better treatment than the president & they were met at Dulles airport with police escort for the trip to the NZ. Try not to think of when a trailer pulls up the panda exhibit in the dark of night & MeiSheng is whisked away. He’ll probably be Wolong before we find out he’s gone.
Let’s thank the SDZ for all their research, love & care that produced 4 wonderful cubs whose genes are needed back in China. China has the pandas the rest of the world would love to have & are willing to “rent a panda” for a $million a year to help the research & breeding efforts.
As for our latest cubette she is growing fast & furious & may not quite as mellow as the staff thought - she sure can voice unhappiness when she wants to - so much fun watching her - so let’s Mei go & enjoy our Bright Star for as long as we can.
October 5th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
#26: Maybe mean, but kinda funny
October 5th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
#26 migb…tsk~but we’d know who you were talking about, lol.
#2 Anne. You are so lucky, please give us a complete report on our boy. I just hope among all the panda teens in Wolong, he makes some good buddies to romp with. He won’t miss us NEARLY as much as we will miss him.
#14 P Wong….Hilarious! I loved the latest baby exam. Seems our girl has a little bit of attitude? Good for her, she has been an angel….time to make some NOISE!
October 5th, 2007 at 7:32 pm
Yes, #26! It’s mean to call our sweet little girl Fat Soh!
Too bad I don’t live close to San Diego, or I would definitely suggest the name Mei An or An Yan, which mean Tranquil Beauty.
October 5th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Yeah!!!
Bright Star (Ming Xing) was officially submitted for the cub’s name.
So, I am hoping the Chinese like it enough to put it in the vote.
One step closer…
She was alone this evening in the den when I checked on her. How exciting to think that she is experiencing a whole new world through her open eyes. Now she can see the things that before she could only smell. How nifty!
Love, Joy
October 5th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
mlgb #26 do you actually know what that means? From the sound of it, it is not a nice name at all. Please keep any insensitive labels to yourself. I like mei xing which I think means beautiful star or American star…very appropriate since she is so pretty and brilliant.
October 5th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
#26 - if there’s a Chinese name for I’m not Fat, I’m a Fluffy Bright Star that’s my vote!
As for Mei….I have lingering questions as to why the pandas have to go back to China, but after researching Wolong I feel much better, it appears to be a healthy environment.
FYI for out-of-state folks - go to ebay or craigslist for coupons that will save you a ton of money getting into the San Diego Zoo.
October 5th, 2007 at 10:07 pm
Hello, you all! Just got on late tonite and saw this growing baby girl taking a very peaceful nap in the den. Got a question for mlgb (#26): What do you mean by the statement that you made? Is that your way of making a suggestion for a name or just poking fun about the whole process? Just wondering, ok? It’s been quite awhile since there was someone who wrote on this forum with sarcastic remarks about these pandas, and I am hoping that this is not another one from you. So, please explain yourself for all of us. These pandas are very precious, wonderful, beautiful, awesome, and fun to watch on the pandacam. We sure don’t want another person to bring a downer on this whole thing. You need to remember that these bears are on the endangered species list because of their circumstances in the wild in China, and they will probably remain on that list for years to come. I think it would be great that you will respect these animals, as well as everyone in China and here in the US that are working very hard to understand these pandas, help save their habitats, and help keep these bears from disappearing forever.
Well, done with another one of my soapbox stands again. I just hope that this person, mlgb, will learn from this!
Gonna go back on pandacam and say goodnite to Bai’s little girl!
Chari Mercier
St. Pete, FL
October 6th, 2007 at 12:12 am
# 32 Joy- I am thrilled that Ming Xing has been officially added to the list! I hope that it is chosen to be among the names we can vote for. I loved watching the most recent video exam. She can be quite vocal when necessary!
October 6th, 2007 at 8:43 am
Joy (#32) - I have been wondering how we bloggers were going to get Bright Star submitted since it sounds as if the submission must be done in person! How did Bright Star get submitted? Did one of our locals take it in? Inquiring minds want to be sure!
Thanks,
Suzanne
October 6th, 2007 at 9:24 am
Now, now folks…..I am sure mlgb was just showing her sense of humor at our sweet, adorable little fluff ball. I have that same sense of humor and can understand the play on words! There isn’t one of us in this blog who wouldn’t trade places in a heartbeat with that LUCKY person who carries our baby from her cradle to the examining table. Wouldn’t that be fun? I’m sorry, but she would get a KISS on that fluffy bum before I deposited her back in the crib! Peace this day to all pandaholics!
October 6th, 2007 at 9:28 am
Well said Chari #35. Totally agree with everything. I absolutely adore all our pandas and think it is such a miracle that “bright star” is born and doing so well. I am enjoying reading so many great comments and will not let one get me down. Thanks for sharing and also thanks Ellie for the update.
October 6th, 2007 at 9:30 am
#34 Paula….thanks for that great info! If I EVER get back to Palm Springs (health issues canceled trip), I will be sure to look into it before we visit SDZ. I would give anything to see baby girl and Bai in the flesh.
I sure hope technicians get the pandacam repaired soon, we are missing out on lots of viewing. I haven’t had a good picture since the power surge. When will the new parts arrive?
October 6th, 2007 at 10:16 am
Remember what “Panda Claws” said to Mei Sheng;”A pretty panda girl waits you”. Sheng will have so much fun at Wolong. And he’ll get to be on Panda Dating Game. Will it be Bachelorette #1,2, or #3 Sheng? Don’t forget the invaluable contribution to the panda species Sheng will hopefully make. The population has plenty of “Hero Mothers” like the Grand Dame of Pandas: Qing Qing and soon Bai Yun. But we need more “Hero Fathers” like Pan Pan, Lin Nan, and now Gao Gao. Do us proud Sheng!
Tony De
Clearwater FL
October 6th, 2007 at 12:17 pm
Does the 12 year loan of Bai Yun expire next year? Since she may be past her breeding stage by then, what will happen to her? Is it possible to arrange for her to spend her “retirement” in SD?
October 6th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
I don’t think #26 meant any disrespect. I have myself been calling the cub “Butterball” as she is obviously well fed and cared for. She is round and adorable! It is a hoot to see her when she is on her back. She rolls around, waving her arms and legs and opening and closing her mouth (looks like she is squawking her head off cuz she is stuck upside-down). Makes me think of a turtle. Then she will get herself over on her side or her tummy and settle right down.
October 6th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
#21 Lisa. Yes, “Mei Xing” means “Beautiful Star.” If we take another cue from Bai Yun, we can name her “Mei Yun”, “Beautiful (or American) Cloud,”
#27 Bobbie Wood. More common is “Xing Hui” (”Hui” is pronounced hoo-AY), means “Star Radiance” or “Star Brilliance.” However, it has less softness so it is more often used for a boy.
October 6th, 2007 at 1:04 pm
#26 mlgb. I think there is(was) a panda in Beijing Zoo named “Pang Pang.” The name probably means “fatty” though I can’t be sure till I see the Chinese character rendering. Many societies believe fat is good, thin is bad, for people as well as for animals. China’s views are such though it appears to be changing.
October 6th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
-cries- I love you Mei Sheng. I wish the woolong panda cam was more powerful.
October 6th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Diane #42 - (SD Zoo experts please correct me if I’m wrong) our agreement with China does not allow us to keep the giant pandas, even ones born here. I would imagine Bai will go back to Wolong as well. Ellie, is that your understanding?
“Ming Xing” - thanks to the person who submitted the name according to Joy #32’s post! Isn’t it wonderful how many alternate names are equally beautiful? Oh, and I think she’s a lovely little butterball, and that’s a good thing! She is getting SO big, and I hope she may be out for public view right after the 100 day naming, but I’m not counting on it…I’ll be there the week of Thanksgiving, and would love to see her.
Barb #40 - I got a ticket for 5 persons and will save $100 on entrance to the Zoo. I’m really glad I checked out that option first!
Peace,
October 6th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Thank You, P Wong for translating for me and explaining why. I think now that Ming Xing is going to be the winning name
Sincerely,
Bobbie Wood
October 6th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
How do I access the prospective baby name list? I cannot seem to find it. Help help!
Moderator’s note: We don’t have a list compiled for the online poll yet. Instead, we are accepting name suggestions from Zoo visitors through October 14. Selected names from the suggestions will then be placed online for all to vote on. We’ll post an announcement on the Panda Cam page when the online poll is in place.
October 6th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Mei Sheng, what a lovely boy and I will miss you - sob… Woolong has pandacam, what is the URL?
October 6th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
I don’t think #26 meant any disrespect - we have all called our cubette chubby - she certainly is well fed and (how to put it) rotund like a “butterball” -even Kathy, one of the keepers called her a “brick”. Am waiting for the list of possible names to be published - nice to see Bright Star as been submitted.
I just saw Bai trying to juggle the cub into a better position & it looked like Bright Star was fighting her every step. She’s getting more independent every day.
October 6th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
Yuen Yuen means roly poly. I think it would be cute! Xiao Mei is another cute name. It means Little Beauty.
Love you Mei Sheng, baby boy!
October 6th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
Hi! Was just on the pandacam tonite at around 12:45am EDT, and I saw Bai Yun laying down in the craziest position that I’ve seen her in yet! It looks like she was on her back, back legs spread out, front legs over her face, and by the way, I couldn’t figure out where her face was! I did see the little baby panda girl moving at the top of Bai, so she was not covered up. One thing’s for sure, Bai sure knows how to lay down and make sure that her baby is right by her side where she can be seen! Pandas can do the funniest things at the weirdest times! Just thought I check in and say hi to all of you pandalovers! Gonna go to bed after a long day of football watching. I was on the pandacam a couple of other times today to see baby girl by herself. Still Cute!! By the way, San Diego State University did win their football game for all of you SDSU supporters earlier today! Had a pretty good day here in Florida, too!
Well, back to the panda watch.
Love to Bai and baby girl,
Chari Mercier
St. Pete, FL
Michael (#46)–does Wolong Panda Center have a website?? Let us know, ok? Would like to check that out and check out their pandacam, if they have one! Hope it’s in English!!
October 7th, 2007 at 5:06 am
Mei Sheng, soon is the last good-bye.
We shall endeavour not to cry.
Although being born in America
your destiny must be China.
In Wolong will be lots of dames
who cannot wait to play some games,
to flirt and make some love to you;
no doubt that you will woo them, too.
Outstanding in the panda crowd
we are all sure you’ll make us proud.
As offspring of Gao and Bai Yun
my guess, you’ll be a daddy soon.
Your genes will help the population
of pandas to reach a new station.
Farewell, dear “boy”, begin your duty
and spread around your panda beauty.
For your long journey, hugged and kissed,
you know that you’ll be greatly missed.
October 7th, 2007 at 8:41 am
Is that Bai back on display in C4?
October 7th, 2007 at 9:11 am
My heart just swells with pride as I watch the beautiful Mei Sheng peacefully stripping his bamboo. Lots of wonderful new adventures await him. I just know he is going to be friends with many young pandas his own age, and one day will father lovely, robust babies. They will also be proud of him in Wolong….who wouldn’t? He will be treated well and thrive, I just know it. All that having been said, my heart is sad and I will miss him. Sort of like sending a child off to college. How fortunate that we panda freaks have been given a new little on to help fill the empty place Mei will leave.
October 7th, 2007 at 10:26 am
Wouldn’t it be wonderful to be able to open a retirement home for “mature” pandas? Oh to be rich!! Each would have their own private room with access to wonderful waterfalls and pools. A massage every day while listening to our resident poet narrating some of her poems and reading panda tales. There would be culinary delights available at all times, day and night; and, room service for those who may be a little “more mature.” The rooms would all have enormous skylights. Lots of toys (older folks love toys too) and plenty of wonderful grassy places under towering trees to enjoy socialization. And on and on………. I know everyone here would be willing to be “on the staff.” Okay, I’m buying a lottery ticket this week!!!
October 7th, 2007 at 10:21 pm
I am watching Bai Yun giving our little cub a bath (or is it a play session?) Either way, it looks like the cub was putting up with whatever Bai Yun gives her! =)
October 8th, 2007 at 5:20 am
I assume you are not shipping Mei Sheng by Fed Ex. How will he be transported? Does the facility sending or receiving the animal pay for transportation? I know it is not cheap. I had to pay $10,000 to ship my horse from the United Kingdom. One great thing about being a panda is Sheng will not have to go through airport security. Well, I hope he goes first class. Safe journey, my friend.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:51 am
LOL at Candy #57. I’ll come and work for you for free!
I think I was the first to translate Bright Star into Pinyin so I am delighted that Ming Xing made it into the pot of possible names. Thanks to the person who submitted it. I hope that it makes it all the way to the chosen list.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:30 am
Just saw part of a vigorous grooming session, during which the cubbette looked like she was swatting a bit at Bai Yun. Later Momma started rearranging bamboo on the den…which made me think of when a keeper in the podcasts talked about calling her “Hurricane Bai Yun” when she was younger and liked to tear part her exhibits. Generally, Bai looks pretty sedate and stately, so it’s amusing to imagine her as a terror. Which also reminds me of what Kathy just said about Hua Mei when she was young–that she was fearless and very adventuresome. It’s all very fascinating information about the beloved bears–thanks!
October 8th, 2007 at 6:31 am
I spent Thursday and Friday in D.C. and when I got to the zoo, there was Tai big as life sitting t the glass eating his fruitcicle. I can,t believe how big he has got since last year and how his color has also changed.He seem to be more brown than black. Mei and Tian were just coming inside and were eating bamboo, Tian is a big playful bear always ready to bother Mei and she takes it to a point. As I stood and watched Tai my thoughts were of Mei Sheng and how much he will be missed. So much work is being done to the zoo, a new elephant exhibit and exhibit expansions and updates but after seeing everything I was right back at the panda exhibit.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:45 am
I smiled — laughed — when I saw what mlgb (#26) wrote. “Baby” appears to be tubbier than Su Lin was at that age, a little Fatty, but still cute and I’m sure she’ll grow out of her baby fat. I don’t think Bai Yun would dare ask if her own bum looks big! As far as mlgb’s suggested name is concerned, you have to admit that is clever in it’s own way although from a playground point of view, a bit mean. I saw Su Lin and Bai Yun in January before they were separated and look forward to seeing “Baby” the next time I am in San Diego.
We are so lucky that the San Diego Zoo has such a good website and allows us to keep track of and learn more about our favourite animals wherever in the world we live.
October 8th, 2007 at 7:40 am
Hello, Friends! I just returned from three weeks in China, but no pandas this time. We volunteered to teach English in a rural farm village.
Having been to Wolong in the past, I can say that it’s a nice place for pandas to be. There are large “wild” areas with trees and long grasses and the pandas are supplied with bamboo. I’ll really miss Mei Sheng, but he’s going to contribute a great deal to the future of pandas by mating with the panda ladies there.
I’m so happy to see how our little cubbette has grown! She’s really moving around quite a bit now. With such good mothering and keeper-care, the SDZ cubs grow into strong, healthy adults!!!
The name-game is about to begin. I’m looking forward to seeing the choices…
October 8th, 2007 at 8:03 am
#57 Candy, would you accept a prospective 15 year old volunteer?
Mei Sheng, I know that you’ll be very happy once you’re in Wolong just please remember everyone who loves you in the states and will be crying when you leave.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:12 am
I realize this is an incredibly busy time at the zoo, but it would be helpful to know who is on which camera, if possible. If not, will just stay confused.
October 8th, 2007 at 9:42 am
What a great poem Ruth #54. THis will make the saying goodbye to our most beloved panda a little easier…knowing that he will have more friends and potential mates to greet him.
October 8th, 2007 at 10:32 am
Mei Sheng is a joy and it will be so sad to see him go to China, but they are going to benefit a thousand fold. He and Hua Mei will really add something to the Panda population over there. Sorely miss Hua Mei and will also really miss Mei Sheng.
On another note, what is going on with Panda Cam? I can’t see the baby at all, ever. It’s always darker than pitch in there. Before, when the other babies were there, I got to see them move, wiggle, even take their first few steps, etc, etc, etc. With all the lights off, I can’t see anything this time. Why??? I thought the panda cam had been fixed after the power out.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:00 am
Mary #66 - the cameras are listed on the page with the Pandacam
October 8th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
just watched our little girl crawling, using all four limbs.
such a bright and busy gal. soon she’ll be out and climbing all those wonderful trees.
such joy she does bring.
joan
October 8th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
My son and I went to say farewell to Mei Sheng yesterday. He was sprawled out on his back on the bottom branches of the climbing structure/tree just above the rock cave enjoying an afternoon siesta–just as relaxed and happy as any bear could be! At the same time, the video monitor showed the cub wriggling around on her back in the den while the narrator explained that this provided excellent neurological development. In the next exhibit area, Su Lin was nestled into the top of the tree stump. Very happy bears all around.
My son came home and told his dad how Mei Sheng is going to go to China to become a daddy bear and help make more pandas. Of course, he wanted to know if he would come back to San Diego. When I told him no, he said, “But I like seeing him!” We all do. All the best Mei Sheng!!
More names submitted: Mei Xing - Beautiful star or American star; Mei Mei - Little sister (or American beauty?)
October 8th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
#66 - there is a list of the cam locations and the panda in the cam on the left side bar of the website.
October 8th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Dear Lisa #71,
She would be called both names:-) “Mei Mei, come here and let’s play!” I always refer to Mei Lan as ‘Mei Lan’ even though the ZooAtlanta calls her ‘Lannie’. Mei Sheng, only as he is now growing up, has been Mei Sheng until recently for me…now I call him ‘Mr. Sheng’ 
Mei Mei could work! I can’t wait for the list!
I like Mei Mei
Sincerely,
Bobbie Wood
October 8th, 2007 at 6:00 pm
I look at the baby and see and feel pure joy. I then wondered if there were a Chinese equivilent? Thanks to all the wonderful people writing poems and telling stories about these great bears. This blog and the comments made, make this the most interesting and fun place on the internet. Thanks to all the people who contribute to it.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
#54 Ruth - such a wonderful way to express our feelings
# 57 Candy - make sure you count me in when the panda retirement home is opened - I’ll be there to help make their lives more comfortable.
#62 Barbara - How I envy you seeing Tai in person. I watched him from the day he was born & know how excited the NZ was to have a live birth at last (after so many disappoinments with Ling Ling & Hsing Hsing). It’s great fun to watch Tian bother MeiXiang until she’s had enough & boy she let’s him know it. We did get to see SuLin in Feb. 06 but she was high up in her tree so barely caught a glimpse of her. Bai was sound asleep. On my 3rd trip back to the panda exhibit Daddy Gao finally got up & wandered close to the moat & the glass enclosure - seemed like we only a few feet apart-finally seeing a live panda so close made my vacaction.
It’s hard to tell what our cubbie is doing right now as Bai has her body spread out & though I can see what I think is a bottom am not sure
October 8th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
Bai really rolls her bundle of joy all over the place in giving her a bath (between 6:30 & 7:30 pm Monday). Thanks for turning the lights up and letting us watch.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Why can’t Giant Pandas take care of 2 Cubs at the same time? Most other Bears had have 2 cubs at a time.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
We went to see Mei Sheng today to
bid him a fond farewell. Arriving at his enclosure at 9:30 AM…he was
on his concrete structure napping.
Think our boy is resting up for his
trip???
Meanwhile Su Lin was napping in a
tree at the forefront of her enclosure. She gave up her nap
to slowly climb down from her tree perch giving all of us some lovely Kodiak moments. Seems she is
ready to pick up the mantel of “young
star” at the S D Zoo.
October 8th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
I have watched our baby grow up and am so proud of him. Thank you for showing him to us again today 10/8/7. Know that we all love and him and wish him the very best. We will hear great things of him I know.
October 8th, 2007 at 11:26 pm
Ruth, #54, I love your poem. I couldn’t have expressed it better. Thank you. We all love Mei sheng so much!!!!!!!
Mei Sheng -
Born the size of a stick of butter for a toast,
You captured hearts of panda lovers on the West coast.
Through the years we have shared, your departure is just too hard to bear.
Your antics, your frolics, and your silly ways, brightened our visits like the sun’s rays.
As you journey to your destined land, I feel as if I’ve lost a friend.
God bless you and keep you always. I hope that you will see your sister Hua Mei when you go to Wolong. I also hope and pray that I will see you again one day!
Love your friend always, Susan - Can’t help those tears from falling…..
October 9th, 2007 at 2:25 am
Thank you, Susan#67, for your compliment. I am very pleased that you liked my poem. I thought it was a bit on a funnier note since most of us pandaholics already had shed some tears because of Mei Sheng’s departure”.
Cathy#64, thanks for putting our minds at rest regarding the facilities at Wolong. I am sure that we can all relax now knowing that “our boy” will be coming to a nice place and lots of keen panda girls.
I still fancy the name “Bright Star” for Bai Yun’s baby. Let’s wait and see.
October 9th, 2007 at 3:40 am
The Olympic Torch has been launched in the UK today. It is called “Cloud of Promise” which I think may translate to Yun de Jian. It depends on the type of cloud! Mr P or any Chinese speakers please give a better translation.
Thought that might be a great name for a panda baby, but maybe one next year as it will be the Olympic year. Yan is a rising or forming cloud which would suit a young panda
October 9th, 2007 at 6:53 am
Thanks, Margaret. It didn’t occur to me that the camera location had moved. Ooops. Must admit, I love watching the bath process. Kidlet is starting to push back and she certainly can squirm.
October 9th, 2007 at 8:19 am
Hi! I just realized something when I noticed today’s date on the pandacam this morning! Little baby girl turned 2 months old back on October 3rd, and I don’t think anybody realized that yet, until I did today! I saw her on the pandacam last nite snuggled up with her mom sandwiched between Bai’s big arm and her face! Then, I just realized this: this baby girl has totally outgrown her mom’s arm now!! I remember back in August and early September that this baby girl would be lying down ON her mom’s arm when she was very tiny. Now, this little girl just snuggles up by her mom’s arm and sometimes has her head on her mom’s arm. It is amazing how FAST these cubs will grow in just 2 months time, isn’t it? Saw baby girl on the cam by herself today, and I could see how much she has grown just in the past 2 weeks alone. 19 inches long already?? WOW!!! She still has her baby fat, too! Well fed, well cared for by Bai Yun, her lovely mom!
Well, gotta go and do some things bu I’ll be back on the cam later to check on Bai and Baby Girl!
Chari Mercier
St. Pete, FL
October 9th, 2007 at 8:21 am
HAPPY 2 MONTH OLD BIRTHDAY, BABY GIRL!!!!!!
October 9th, 2007 at 8:21 am
#71 Lisa, so glad you and your son got to say “Goodbye” to Mei Sheng. I am sure he was glad you came. He enjoys his fans and visitors very much. He will be such a celebrity when he gets to Wolong, and will have a whole new group of avid fans and admirers. I am certain all the keepers and staff at Wolong will want to come see, and get to know, this new American star.
October 9th, 2007 at 8:49 am
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if, in a few years, one of Mei Sheng’s sons or daughters would come here to live at SDZ? It would truly be a completed circle at that time. If not one of Mei Sheng’s possibly one of Hua Mei’s cubs would be able to come here for a while.
October 9th, 2007 at 9:21 am
Every blogger on this site (no matter what age) is welcome to the Panda Retirement Community!!! Still haven’t won the lottery yet, but will continue trying. LOL Hope I’m not in the retirement home before I win it tho!! Maybe I will start buying 5 tickets instead of 1.
Our baby is just a little bundle of fluffy joy for us and for her mom. Amazing how rich mom’s milk must be.
October 9th, 2007 at 9:31 am
I’m sure #26 wasn’t being mean. For awhile there, I thought the cub looked like an eclair!
Concerning Sheng’s trip to Wolong. If you watch the documentary about the arrival of the National Zoo’s pandas they were shipped via Fedex. However they had a plane all to themselves with plenty of fresh bamboo for onboard snacking. I hope that SDZ documents Sheng’s trip. I’d love to see the journey and his first experiences in China.
October 9th, 2007 at 11:31 am
Helen, #87, I agree with you! It’d be nice to have either Hua Mei and Mei sheng’s kids come live at the SDZ. Again, with China, there’s alot of politics involved. What the zoo or us want, we may not get, China is funny that way.
Marco, #89 - agree. It’d be very nice to have them chronicle Mei Sheng’s journey home, along with his adjustments and progress.
Much love to all the panda fans out there. Much Much love to Hua Mei, Mei Sheng, and their family!
October 9th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
I was fortunate to spend a couple of days at Wolong last month, on a trip with FONZ (Friends of the National Zoo) and checked out the area where Mei will be staying. He’ll have lots of room and several buddies to play with.
The cam at Wolong that I’ve seen is focused on one of the kindergarten yards - in fact the one in which I got to play with them. I don’t know if they have a cam in the four year old area or not.
We also got a chance to see one of Hua Mei’s twins who was in the nursery while we were there.
October 9th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Elaine #91, how does one find a working camera for wolong site? All I get is graphic of what the cubs have to play with in Pandagarten and some photos of cubs with visitors. Hua Mei’s cubs (all three sets) seem to appear frequently when visitors are around. That is perhaps due to her documented status as a star, especially for US visitors??? That hopefully means that you lucky visitors from Nov 2007 on will be able to get to see Mei Sheng in his permanent home surroundings with the beautiful mountains and mist and flowing river in the background. What a dreamy scene to contemplate. Maybe that is what he is dreaming about while he slumbers on his “cave,” as well as those panda belles that Panda Claws was wishing for him.
October 9th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
Mei Sheng, the beloved boy is leaving and I am all the way at the east coast and couldn’t say good bye in person, so sad… But thanks to #54 and #80 - the beautiful poems cheer me up. Thanks to #64 and #91 for the description of Wolong that gave me a peace of mind — a nice home is waiting for Sheng. I hope Mei Sheng can have a good traveling experience - possbily the whole plane as per #89. #57, good suggestion, I am definitly with you on this, a Pandas’ retirement home.
This page is great, reading all these nice thoughts after a hard day of work makes me feel a lot better, SDZ gets the credit!
October 9th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
Mon. CNN had another photo of Bright Star getting an exam - not sure if that was from last week’s exam or a more recent exam - but she looked big & bright eyed—adorable. I’m having to check the time lapse to see our cubbie as the webcam pictures are so dark.
October 9th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
I noticed on the last weigh in that Bai Yun was at 222 lbs. I remember talk about 1 year ago that her weight was down, but maybe she had found a new normal wieght point. Does 222 lbs still coincide with the lighter weight point or has she regained her “normal” weight?
October 9th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
Bright star, would I were stedfast as thou art–
(John Keats)
I can’t believe how much I have learned from this blog! I began with the understanding that giant pandas are gorgeous and rare - and now know so much more, thanks to the wonderful contributors to this blog. Susan #90 - yes, isn’t it incomprehensible that all the pandas have to go back to China? That’s one contract we should retract, but…it is what it is…and we now can only look on their beauty for a short time. I also am somewhat lazy and will leave the poetry to the experts!
“The night was wide, and furnished scant
With but a single STAR…”
(Emily Dickinson)
Peace!
October 9th, 2007 at 10:06 pm
AC, #93, you are very welcome. We, panda fanatics, to say the least, love Mei Sheng, Hua Mei, and all pandas dearly, and seeing any one of them leave is very sad indeed. I got to see him 4.5 days in a row last month, and got really great pictures of him. Wish you could have been there!
Hugs to all pandas, hooray!
October 10th, 2007 at 9:06 am
Great shot of Su Lin resting at the end of the long log leaning against the tree stump. She looks very happy and is taking in everything around her. It has been a long time since I got much of a view of her, so I am very excited to see her enjoying herself.
October 10th, 2007 at 9:29 am
Thanks for the fabulous shots of “Sheng” on Oct. 7 and BaiBee all week. It was great to see Sheng enjoying himself and getting close to his fans before he leaves. He seems very relaxed, and unstressed (unlike his adoring public online) like he isn’t going through anything unusual. Which he probably isn’t since he has been having daily training sessions for years. It is just a new training which adds enrichment for him.
Miss cubbette is sure growing and exercising her limbs. The more she does the greater the strength and the coordination moving toward walking in December.
Has Bai Yun taken her outside anymore since she seems to have returned to the den? Every picture I have seen of them is in the den. Bai has been in her Garden Room resting, but the cub seems to always remain in the den. That is a good, safe, warm, secure place for her. She is usually near the entrance so my guess is that is where Bai wants her so she can see/hear her, and also she gets the most fresh air and sunshine there. Have you conclusively determined what you think was bothering Bai Yun so much that she took her outdoors? Could it have been the tremors you were having? Have you had any tremors since she returned to the den?
October 10th, 2007 at 9:30 am
Margaret#92, if you google wolong panda cam you can get alot of shots that change every so many seconds, it’s alot easier than trying to connect to their sight. I gave up trying and found this. good watching.
October 10th, 2007 at 9:42 am
Ming Xing is really moving around now but everytime I bring up the Panda cam, she is alone?? I wish I could hear her. Is she yelping or crying? I think that thiswill be Bai Yun’s last cub. She has done her part to keep the species going. Now she wants to rest.
October 10th, 2007 at 10:55 am
I just watched a video on YouTube in memory of Xiang Xiang the first captive panda released into the wild at Wolong in April, 2006, and who unfortunately died from his injuries in February, 2007. It was great to see the shots of him growing up in the Panda Kindergarten, and being trained for life in the wild by his keeper.
It reminded me how precious and rare these wonderful animals really are. I am very thankful that none of Bai Yun’s cubs are destined to be released into the wild, especially after they have been so well cared for by their human keepers at SDZ and then at Wolong. Their “grand-panda” cubs (3rd generation) may someday be released into the wild. After all, this is the long-range hope and plan for the conservation of the Giant Panda.
When the proper process for training a captive-bred panda has been established, and success more a sure thing, it will be time again to attempt to release another panda into the wild. Until then all energy must be focused on conserving and expanding the wild pandas habitat in preparation for them to become self-sustaining and to allow their captive-bred relatives a place to be safely released. With better conservation of exisiting, and expanded, reserve areas for the current wild population, the future dream of releasing captive-bred pandas can become a reality. It is true that the geography of Wolong Research Center is a naturally beautiful place, perfect for the panda. It is also where pandas can be bred and raised in as natural a setting as possible, away from the pollution of lower land and cities.
We must also remember that the goal of zoos and other research institutions is to help the animals eventually self-perpetuate away from human intervention. With that in mind, as sad as it is to let go of our beloved friends we visit in the zoos, we must endeavor to remember the real goal. Their presence in captivity is for their long-term good to live in the wild. While they share their secrets, their presence, and their animal magnetism with us, they also need us to use our fondness of them to help them succeed on their own in the wild. They are not here to be our captives so we can admire their beauty, and their humorous antics. They are here to be studied, and aided in reproducing so they can eventually go back to the wild misty mountains where they really belong.
If we are blessed down the road to make a journey to their ancestral homeland, we can dream of seeing them in their natural wild habitat, climbing, eating, sleeping, and doing what Pandas really want to do where they really want to do it. No concrete and glass barriers to keep them safe. Just the natural elements of their environment and their innate sense of how to behave and life. To see pictures of the dams with their newborns in their dens in the wild is truely an awesome sight. My dream is that one day we will see more of them there and fewer of them holed up in man-made dens (albeit well intentioned, and well designed, and with the best modern veterinary and husbandry science has to offer). Then they will be truely “FREE” to be all a panda can be.
Bless the animals and their keepers in the mean time to keep them safe, healthy, and happy. While they are with us let us each enjoy them as often as we can via live visits or through the great shots and efforts of Meerkats on Panda Cam.
October 10th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
Oh my goodness, it’s 15:48 on the PandaCam and our little girl is working on her locomotion! She’s pulling each back leg up alternately and propelling herself forward. Well, actually, forward and to the right, so she’s moving in a circle — but still! Lots and lots of movement. Good for her!
Moderator’s note: New exam photos now posted at http://al.sandiegozoo.com/news/panda_news.html
October 10th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
To Margaret #92 and others: There are actually 3 cams you can view at Wolong - 2 view the yard with the older cubs and 1 seems to be where the younger cubs are. Since we cannot include hyperlinks here, I’ll try to get you there somehow, LOL… These are not the fastest sites to get to, but are worth it to see the cubs play or have visitors and get fed!!
Google for Wolong Panda Club, click link for WPC, when Panda Club page loads - look for the horizontal bar with the date at the left - move over to the right and click Panda Club. On the next page, click Watch Panda On Line - this will bring up a page with a paragraph that has two IP address links in it - click either one. Each is a different view of the yard with older cubs. After clicking one of the IPs, you will see a blue page that says Network Camera, look down just a bit till you see the word Java with strange characters - click this link. The next page is also blue and you will see the orange Java splash - wait until the authentication box comes up and type in guest for both user and password. You will then see a view with climbing structures and some older cubs. Same thing goes for the other IP at the Panda Club page.
The other cam seems to be in the yard with the younger cubs - google for kepu panda cam - click on the SECOND indented link that says Pandacam. This will load a page and you will see the orange Java splash, then the authentication box. User name and password are both guest. This is the cam with the younger cubs and where the swing is located and other toys, structures, etc.
Good luck and remember the time difference, have patience, and also that they do not seem to have cam operators - once in a while I see the cams move or zoom in but it is not often. Some nights the cam does not move and all you see are trees, LOL… But other times, you can get some nice views of the cubs and it is wonderful!
October 10th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
#102 I agree that pands are precious and rare. I think they have the lowest birth rate, yet hardest to raise.
Pandas are so cuddly and cute. Chubby round body with short little hands and short little leggs, and carries a smile all day. Vegetarians too, No Kill. To top that, adults look just like babies=lifetime cute. Amazing animal.
October 10th, 2007 at 7:28 pm
#77 Huan - panda cubs are born weighing less than 4 ounces & have no fur - they are completely dependent on their mothers to keep them warm & for food & to lick them for waste stimulation for weeks. A panda mother will go for days without even getting a drink or food as her cub requires attention almost 24 hours a day. It’s difficult to take care of one cub. They seem to use both paws to manuever the cubs so if had 2 that would difficult. As witnessed in the Vienna Zoo the mother had twins, picked up the first one & then when had the 2nd was so upset she dropped the 1st cub -even though the one was stillborn. In captivity the keepers are able to remove a cub to the nursery and then alternate the cubs with mom for her all important milk. If you watch Bai even though Bright Star is 2 months old Bai is not that far away in case the cub needs her. Imagine if mommy had 2. So even though a panda is classified as a bear there is a great difference in their cubs & their needs. Another reason they are endangered as Mom can raise one cub every 2 years. (And that’s if she is agreeable to mating -& a female that is not happy with a male let’s him know it)
October 10th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
7.8 pounds? Bright Star looks about twice her weight (a condition we all try to avoid) - that’s a whole lot of fluffiness going on there.
Thanks for the words of encouragement and hope, Margaret. We should be prepared to accept that the “wild” may never exist due to humanity’s footprint, and as such, Wolong appears to be a wonderful refuge. The “wild” will likely never exist in the U.S. - read all the reports of black bears entering homes because their habitat has been encrouched by developers. I find it incredibly heartbreaking that we must imprison these beautiful animals to save their lives.
I would encourage everyone to contact their state representatives at each and every chance they have to make their voice heard about preservation of threatened species. Our cause is way down on the list, but we can all make a difference by sending letters to our representatives in the Senate and Congress.
Peace - and I can’t wait to see the pandas soon.
Paula
October 11th, 2007 at 8:24 am
Margaret #102, what beautiful and heartfelt thoughts,I was sad when they finally said that Xiang Xiang was dead. I don’t believe they knew enough about all the variables that could have possibly happened,this was a new venture in conservation.I do hope that no other panda has to go through what Xaing did, this would be inhumane. some serious changes have to be made and attitudes also before we could ever dream of seeing our beloved bears in their natural state.To see a mother and a cub together in the den would be beautiful.I echo your sentiments to all who have worked so hard to ensure the health and well being of one of the most beautiful creatures on this earth and I am humbled to be able to witness their existence. Thank you to all
October 11th, 2007 at 8:41 am
It is 8:32 a.m. SD time and I’m looking at this furball that’s blissfully asleep with her back legs tucked under her so tight, she looks like the top end of an ice cream cone with a big scoop of ice cream on it. Many other images come to mind - an incandescent light bulb? get it? Bright Star? Anyway, it’s cuteness extraordinaire. Who ever said you had to pay for great entertainment has not heard of panda cams. They are mesmerizing, indeed!! ok- back to work, sigh!!
October 11th, 2007 at 11:07 am
These cubs sure do mature quickly and the milestones sometimes run together. Mei Lan is now 13 months old, and she has started eating bamboo and leaving leafy “presents.” Just saw a great Panda Cam view of all three ZA Pandas in the same “frame.” Lun Lun and Mei Lan were inside munching, and Yang Yang was in the outside yard on the other side of the window. It is rare that you can view a cub and both its parents at the same time. Shows you just how compact the ZA facility is. It is not possible at SDZ or NZP.
October 11th, 2007 at 11:33 am
I couldn’t agree with you more #105. I simply can not find anything not nice about these bears. The way they sit, move, eat and etc… are all so cute. And they are the best mothers.
October 11th, 2007 at 12:56 pm
Paula#107, here in N.J. we have has the busiest year ever for orphan cubs,their mothers have been labeled nuisance bears and have been killed. The refuge center that has them gets no state assistance and runs only on donations and alot of love. at last count there were 11 cubs and are being well taken care of. We need to put a stop to all this new building and create open spaces for them to live in peace.
October 11th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
Barbara #112 - how sad that bears are a “nuisance” to land developers. Here on the north suburbs of Dallas, up until last year we routinely saw coyotes and bobcats. Now, no more - the land is being developed into vast malls and restaurants strips. I for one would gladly give up having a Chilli’s or Best Buy 3 minutes from my house to once again see the wildlife. My husband and I are planning to retire in New Mexico and I hope the bears are still there when we do so.
If you’re ever in Texas, the International Exotic Feline Sanctuary in Boyd, Texas runs a splendid sanctuary of big cats and has recently taken on abandoned black and grizzly bears. In fact, I just looked at their website and they have replaced the “Feline” in their name with “Animal” to recognize their expansion into the non-feline preservation effort!
Peace and safety to all critters,
Paula
It’s high time we tread lightly on our land!
Paula
October 12th, 2007 at 6:03 am
Barbara #112, what do they plan to do with the cubs once they are grown? With 11 cubs that grow to sexual maturity and then mate, they may have a catastrophe on their hands? How devastating that they are destroying their mothers and leaving so many defenseless cubs. Bless the refuge center who is raising them. They will need lots of help with them as they grow older. In Richmond, VA, we have a nature center that took in two new cubs in the past year who were orphaned. One was found on the side of a road in the mountains and the other was older and came from wandering in an “undesireable” place. There are not enough “good” “captive” homes for all the orphaned black bears that are coming about as a result of human encroachment. Humans have a responsibility to protect the bears they displace.
October 12th, 2007 at 9:24 am
Margaret, N.J. has several state forests and federal open spaces that are capable of sustaining bear population, I don’t know much about their release progran but I do know that no bears from the program has been captured since it’s release. These are extrodinary people who work with little money to ensure the wellbeing of these creatures. We also have a wolf sanctuary in northern N.J. where I have had the opportunity to go several times. They are the most special animal I have had contact with, the man who runs the place was not allowed to keep them in the state he came from, but N.J. was willing to let him bring them here, only if they were not allowed to breed and he kept the original amount that he brought.There has been no trouble in the area where they are and the local police and game depts bring road kill, This community has embraced this sancutary and the people who run it.
October 12th, 2007 at 9:38 am
Paula #113 I have been to South Carolina where they have several tigers that are on the endangered list and had the opportunity to hold a young cub about 70 lbs on my lap and feed it a bottle. just to feel the animal purr and it’s heart beat against me made me cry. To know that one species of this tiger there is only about 35 left in the world. how sad. If things continue the blance of nature will be so out of whack I don’t no if we will ever be able to get in back in sync. I salute these people for all their effort to make this planet better for all of us. If you have a chance visit TIGERS and their farm to interact with all the animals.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Barbara, #115, thank you for the info on the wolf sanctuary. I don’t think realize how close to extinction wolves have come. Thanks to conservation and rescue efforts, many of them private, they are being released back into the wild in the Northern states, and hopefully will start to thrive and become self-sufficient. It is also great to hear that NY police and game departments are bringing road kill. It is a win-win for everyone. The wolves get their “natural” food, and there is a ready source to take it. It also helps the man who runs the sanctuary because it cuts down on his food “budget” and gives the wolves natural food for their digestion.
October 12th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
Barbara #115 and Margaret #116 - how cool is it that Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize today? It doesn’t seem that long ago that the general population thought global warming was a liberal myth…
I am so confident we are on the right track to saving endangered species. Wouldn’t it be tragic if our great-grandkids could only see tigers and wolves in books? We have to fight against the machine, but I think the next administration will do far more than the current one in addressing this issue.
Paula
October 14th, 2007 at 5:50 am
Paula #118, this could not have happened at a better time or to a better person. There are still the naysayers who don’t believe in global warming and no matter how much evidence there is they walk around with blinders on.I like you am hopeful that this will wake up alot of people and that they will starting demanding that the powers that be start doing something. I could not imagine a world without animals. Mr. gore is a visionary and I hope he continues to fight the system and wins.
October 14th, 2007 at 9:27 pm
barbara #119 - thanks from the only tree-hugger in Dallas, TX…
Your words made me feel better about being one of a very few in my state that voted for Mr. Gore in 2000. I wonder what would be different now if he had been elected? I am so hopeful for the future….for our children to see the the animals we share this planet with!
Margaret #117, if I’m ever in VA I’ll visit your sanctuary…ours here in Dallas also depend on roadkill to feed the wild captive animals. That’s a testimonial to how we’ve shirked our responsibility to all creatures great and small, isn’t it?
Peace,
Paula
October 17th, 2007 at 5:31 am
A respectful request, please, to address political comments to other, more appropriate, forums
October 17th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Hi Everyone,
Just returned from the SDZ Panda Exhibits. Enjoyed a few moments of alone time with Mei Sheng before throngs of children arrived. (Children 3-11 get in free during the month of October.) While Mei Sheng was walking around in his exhibit and passed nearby, I wished him a safe and wonderful trip back to China and told him that we all loved him and will miss him very much.
Mei Sheng would walk over to he “Howdy Door” looking for Su Lin, who was asleep high up in her favorite tree. Mei Sheng would bleat softly while pacing, climbing and settling in his favorite tree branch. Kay, the narrator, told me the reason that he is so active is because he his anxiously awaiting his lunch & treats.
I am happy that over the years I have taken many photos of Mei Sheng from the first day that he was put on exhibit up to and including today. Today’s photos complete my Mei Sheng album. I will miss him very, very much.
October 17th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
P.S. A must see at the SDZ Children’s Nursery is the baby bonobo (see video portal ” One Month Old Bonobo). We arrived just as Janet Hawes, senior keeper was feeding little Mali. Janet brought Mali close to the nursery window so that we could get a close-up photo. While we were oohing and aahing over this adorable primate, Mali looked at us, pursed her pink lips and gave us the cutest smile. After placing Mali in the crib all nestled in her blankets, she continued to look at us - it was the sweetest little creature. So happy to have met Mali today at the SDZ. When you visit with Mei Sheng, don’t forget to stop by and say hello to Mali at the Nursery.
Thank you to everyone at the San Diego Zoo for being so kind, informative and helpful. We had a great day.
October 17th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Jeanette #104 - Many thanks for your informative and precise instructions on locating the panda cams in Wolong. We’ve been checking on them everyday. This evening we were lucky to finally observe seven pandas - a few were sleeping, some were meandering, and one was eating treats and/or bread placed on the ground. Once again, thank you for sharing.