The Great Outdoors
Posted at 1:02 pm September 12, 2007 by Suzanne HallMany of you have noticed that Bai Yun is increasingly absent from the den these days. This is esentially due to the normal development of the relationship between mother and infant. Once a cub has developed a bit of fat to insulate itself and some fur to help keep it warm, the dam is no longer required to hold the infant so close to aid in thermoregulation. This frees the mother panda up to attend to other things, including her own ever-increasing appetite.
As you know, Bai Yun has been leaving the den to feed for some time now. At first, her feeding sessions were very brief, on the order of a few minutes here and there. Since her initial forays from the den, however, her feeding bouts have increased in length, sometimes exceeding 40 minutes in duration now. She is rapidly approaching her pre-pregnancy feeding levels"¦ but she is not there yet. She is still being offered a little bit less food than she received while in her pre-pregnancy prime, with increasing quantities every few days to compensate for her gradually increasing appetite. Her more recent weights indicate that, as expected, she has lost several kilos through the fasting window associated with the pregnancy and early post-partum period; she weighed in at about 95 kilograms (209 pounds) earlier this week.
But the feeding aspect of Bai Yun's daily activity is only part of the story. About two weeks ago, Bai Yun began resting for short periods outside the den. As the cub is clearly well fed and content, Bai Yun is responding by reclaiming a bit more of her " me time," even if it means simply sleeping on her own for a few minutes. Why might she want this?
In our facility, we feed Bai Yun high-fiber biscuits and produce such as carrots or apples. These are high calorie dietary supplements that wild pandas don't have the luxury of feasting on when they are emerging from the den to fill their bellies. Wild pandas have to subsist entirely on the nutrition provided to them by bamboo, a poor-quality dietary staple. A wild panda dam has to range farther and farther from her den to meet her ever increasing appetite, and this means longer and longer forays away from the den. Bai Yun does not have to spend much time gathering the food she needs to fill her belly, but she may still feel a bit of a drive to be away from the den for longer periods because that is what the panda dam is designed to do.
We have recently offered Bai Yun access to her beloved garden room again during daytime hours. You may recall seeing her planted atop her platform in the room prior to the birth, resting for hours on end. She has responded to the change this week by utilizing the garden room with increasing frequency, and this is another reason why you are seeing less of her in the den; she is taking advantage of the increased space available to her. She is only about 20 to 30 feet (as the panda walks) from the den entrance while in the garden area, but to Bai Yun this may make a world of difference.
Look for her on Camera 15 from time to time.
Suzanne Hall is a senior research technician with the Giant Panda Unit of Applied Animal Ecology/CRES.
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September 12th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
How old will the panda be before it will come out of the den to investigate it's surroundings? Also I just think it is the cutest thing I have ever watched on a webcam.
September 12th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
What a life!!!!!!! She's earned every second of it….little rolly poly was busy rolling around getting the hang of getting its' tush to follow the rest of its' body….precious, precious, precious…..
September 12th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
Thank you again Suzanne for your update. I really feel I am there, due to your fantastic narratives, doing the research right beside you.
All mothers are protective of her babies and Bai must feel so save to do this.
I have been reading some articles from China and they are saying that the pandas are holding steady in numbers in the wild. Is this true or just what everyone wants to hear?
Thanks again.
September 12th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Thanks, Suzanne for the update. It is a relief to know that Bai Yun continues to feel comfortable enough to leave her cub for longer periods of time, and to get her " me time." She will have a " shadow" soon enough, and like she did when resting and eating greatly prior to the pregnancy and birth, now she is doing the same thing in preparation for a mobile cub to train and care for as it moves about.
It is great that she has access to the " Garden Room" so she can feel the sunlight and not have to move into the den doorway to " catch a few rays."
Do you think she put the bamboo in the doorway as part of her separation routine? It makes an interesting " shield" and confinement screen for the cub. I did not see her place it there, and am not sure how she manuvers around it on her way in and out.
September 12th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
" Why would she want a little 'me time' in her beloved garden room…?" - why not! We are in beautiful SD - and the weather lately couldn't be more perfect. I'm glad she has had some time for herself - a little napping without baby (albeit a very cute and cuddly baby…), a few meals alone, maybe she can even squeeze in a mani and pedi one of these days. She deserves it - all her love, warmth and nurishment has given us a beautiful, healthy, chubby little cubby for us to ooh and aah over. Before you know it - she will be chasing baby around - so she better get in her " me time" while she can - it's going to be a very tiring 18 months ahead. Thanks for the updates - give mama Bai and extra apple for me!!
September 12th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Bai Yun deserves every minute of free time she can get. She has done an amazing job of taking care of the little one and anyone can see that when they look at our chubby little cub. I noticed the other night that the baby is making an effort to walk or at least move. The legs come out and the head goes up a little and slowly there is movement forward It is tiring so you see maybe 10 min or more of rest and then again the legs come out and the attempt is made to move a bit further forward. I think this baby is going to walk sooner rather than later but only time will tell.
Thank you Suzanne. I love your blog. We learn so much about pandas reading them and you are really good at telling it all in easy to understand words.
September 12th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
Bai Yun does deserve some " me time" as you said. It also allows the cub to develp some independence and the ability to move around the den without bumping into Mom. I think it is awesome how animal instinct works and how even when placed in a different environment, like captivity, they behave like they would in the wild… truly amazing!
How often is the cub feeding now? and for how long? Does it seem like there is a feeding cycle that coincides with day and night? I'm just wondering if Bai Yun seems to anticipate when the cub will be hungry and want her there to eat. I would think in the wild, with the mother going further from the cub, it would be important to have a feeling about when it is time to go back to the den or the area where the cub is. Otherwise a hungry cub crying would attract the wrong type of attention. Of course, Bai Yun does not have to worry about that in captivity, but since she is behaving similar to the situation in the wild, I was wondering about that.
I just saw Bright Star all alone in the den, scooting around. What a strong little one — a real stellar feat!
I'm wondering if you have any update on an approximate date for Mei Sheng to leave for China? I imagine you will know in advance since his human keeper(s) will go with him to help him adjust. You all need to know when to pack and get your visas together.
Do you need a nurse along for the ride? I'd go to help out…
Love, Joy
September 12th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
" as the panda walks" LOL. I love that, Suzanne. It also tells us that things are going really well with little cubmuffin. Thanks, as always, for the insightful information about raising cubs. Even though this is my 4th cub, there's always more to learn right along with the researchers.
September 12th, 2007 at 6:37 pm
Good for Bai! Enjoy that garden room! I sure would! We all know she has been the best Mom possible to all of her cubs! Like several have said: the way this one is growing and working it's muscles, she will be chewed on, chased and bothered endlessly by a little wild tumbleweed before you know it!
September 12th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Thanks for another informative update. Bai sure needs to get some " me" quiet time while she can - she has earned it & once the chubby cub gets on the move, she'll be busy. And our cub sure is chubby - am waiting for the weight gain with exam tomorrow - along with the sex (we hope)
September 13th, 2007 at 6:05 am
Thank you - again - for the wonderful information you have imparted!! It is so wonderful to have such insight into something that we would normally not!! Such a TREASURE this site is, the panda cam, the blogs and ALL the SDZ staff!! You guys really ROCK!!!
On another note, it is again Thursday and by my calendar should be exam day for our little Bright Star!! You bet I will be checking the blog all afternoon here in Michigan to find an update - and I hope that this week our little Bright Star gives up his/her secret to us all!!
Have a great day everyone….can't wait for the exam update/video/blog entry!! WOO HOO!!
September 13th, 2007 at 9:57 am
Talk about " mom's" relentless tongue! Has anyone seen Lun Lun and Mei Lan this afternoon, around 12:45 PM EDT? Lun Lun was chasing Mei Lan everywhere and " attacking" her. If Mei Lan climbed on the structure, Lun Lun pulled her forcefully off, if she went in their half-barrel, Lun Lun went in with her and pushed her out. I don't know what Mei Lan did to set Lun Lun off, but she is relentless in getting even. Mei Lan started nipping at Lun Lun's nose and that didn't even stop her. L:u finally stopped and is now pacing around the room. Mei Lan appears to have " retreated" to the back " bedroom" area. This is interesting interaction because it is the opposite of what one normally sees between mother and cub.
When I watch Chubmuffin wriggling when being " bathed" I can picture a similar situation with Bai and her cub in a few months.
The relationship between mother and cub is fascinating, and somewhat unpredictable. It is hard to tell when it is " school" and lessons in defense are going on, and when they are just " playing" for exercise and enrichment.
Lun finally let Mei climb up on the structure and I notice that she is tucked away securely between new tall limbs that they have added for her to climb up higher. Maybe that is what made Lun " nervous" as she has reacted in a similar way when they let Mei Lan into new areas to explore. She is a very cautious mother about all new things to do with her cub. It will be interesting to see how long it takes Lun to relax and let Mei Lan " climb" to new heights. The new trunks have a fork that is secure for her to sit/sleep in, and it is about 8 feet off the ground in their air-conditioned indoor room with the hammock. They have been trying to get Mei and Lun to stay outside longer now that the weather is cooling down a bit. Mei loves it outside, but Lun likes the A/C. That can pose a challenge too because of mother/cub separation issues. It will be interesting to see how Bai Yun progresses in her sunroom " me" time as the cub starts to get mobile and wants to go " outside" too.
September 13th, 2007 at 10:05 am
Bai has Chubmuffin in spreadeagle licking pose again, right on the edge of the doorway. She sure seems to be getting it near the light or fresh air. It appears that she may be acclimating it to new surroundings in preparation for taking it out in the sunroom with her???
September 13th, 2007 at 11:34 am
It's around 2:30 Michigan time and there sits little Chubmuffin, wiggling around by his/her lonesome, as if to say, " Come on and examine me! Don't keep my public waiting!" Seriously, it's great to see that chubby little cub doing so well, and I can't wait for mobility. Anxiously awaiting the next exam.
September 13th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
Do baby pandas make the same delightful purring sound when they nurse, like a brown or black bear cub would?
September 13th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
YAY, it's a girl, I knew it!!
September 13th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
Marie #15,
Great question! No, pandas do not " hum" as do other bear species. That makes them unique! The hum vocalization is an interesting subject that we are currently looking at with out multispecies research.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
It's official - it's a GIRL! Black & White & Pink booties for everyone! And boy is she a cutie - the latest pictures from her exam are just adorable - and seems her vocal chords are working too! Congratulations - this is great news - as one day she will have cubs of her own - and the world will be a little brighter with more of these exquisite creatures inhabiting it!
September 13th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
IT'S A GIRL!!!! Congratulation, Bai Yun, on another beautiful daughter!
September 13th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
Yea! It's a girl. I've been so interested in this little babe and wonderful mom. They are fascinating to watch and I love the updates from staff. Thanks so much for all the news!
September 13th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
I think when it's time to name the little baby girl it should be Hua Mulan.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
It's a girl, it's a girl! Yippee!
September 13th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
Hello, little beauty! So happy to learn that you're a healthy, thriving baby girl.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
OK all you panda girl lovers - It is official on the SDZ Panda website - IT's A GIRL! - Way to go Bai Yun and Gao Gao!
Mei Sheng still reigns supreme as the first male panda cub " Born in the USA!"
September 13th, 2007 at 1:39 pm
Yay!!! She's a beautiful little girl!!! Thank you for sharing the new photos. I love the one of her " waving" . She's just precious!!!
September 13th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Has anyone else checked out the panda profile on Bright Star!! SHE IS A SHE!! It's now official. Pam - Panda Lover in Rhode Island.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
It's a girl! And she's getting a long, long bath from Mama right now. Adorable to watch. You can almost hear her whining, " Mo-oooom!" I can't wait to see the exam video.
September 13th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Well, I guess I won't be calling her Chubba Bubba til the 100-day naming ceremony, I don't know what the feminine version of Bubba would be anyway. She is extraordinarily beautiful, I think it's something to do with the shape of her head or her eyes, her features are gorgeous. Congratulations, SDZ, and great job Bai and Gao.
September 13th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
Finanally found out she's a girl - wonderful news (though I was hoping for a boy - but just so long as she's healthy). Am anxious to hear the vet's report.
Margaret #12 - I have also seen LunLun chasing after Lani - Lun seems to initiate more play bouts than other mothers I've watched & have wondered why. While MeiXiang put up with " terror Tia" he was the one that was always after her.
September 13th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Yes! I just knew the cub was a girl!!! What a relief….We can now give her a gender an speak of her as her and she!!!!!!!!!!!!Oh boy now we can vote for a name for her and wait once again until we know what her official name will be….
September 13th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Suzzanne- Ihave some name suggestions:
Bao Ye-Precious Jade
Bang An-Nation Peace
Ching Lan-Beautiful Orchid
Thank-you for looking at these!
September 13th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
YAAAAAY!! WOO HOO!! It's A girl!!! Congratulations SDZ staff!!! You should be so proud of the wonderful work that you do - we know you are!!
Thank you for bringing this special little girl into the world and for taking such wonderful care of her, Bai, Su Lin, Mei Sheng and Gao Gao!! They are so very lucky to have such wonderful keepers!!
I am so happy that we have a little girl and she is the most precious little girl!! Enjoy this precious little package!!!
September 13th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
I have checked back on NZ site for Tai at the same age - 6 weeks - Tai weighed 4.2 lbs. & his eyes were not open yet so our little Bright Star is coming right along. Momma Bai has done another great job-mother of the panda world.
September 13th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
What a great day! The photos, video, podcast–all wonderful!! I have reviewed all of it over and over. Thanks so much. Time for Bai to decorate the den in pink again. Our new little girl is truly cute and beautiful all at the same time. Hearing her voice in the video was life affirming too–since we don't get sound w/the panda cam.
Most of all, I am thrilled that she remains healthy and is doing all the things a cub her age should be doing. And Bai Yun seems to be doing so well–what a great mom she continues to be. I look forward to the upcoming milestones as the next weeks pass. These are exciting times for us pandaholics!
September 13th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
Hurray!!! She is going to be as beautiful as her Mom and her sisters! She Spoke today just like a little puppy! We know She's a She
Verbal communication skills are developing right on schedule! Gosh how she has grown! And What fun to see Mei Sheng playing with the toy in the background:-)
Regarding Lun Lun and Mei Lan today, I saw a bit of the 'war games'. Yesterday the Atlanta Zoo update post said that they are attempting to allow the pandas more outdoor time because the temperatures have cooled a bit. Mei Lan has enjoyed the outside; however, according to the staff, Lun Lun wants to remain inside. Perhaps Lun was 'getting even' today.
To you all at the San Diego Zoo, Congratulations!! The videos are spectacular and I can't wait for the next one:-)
Sincerely,
Bobbie Wood
September 13th, 2007 at 6:33 pm
IT IS A GIRL!!!!! I KNEW IT!!!!! I have been checking the news on your site every hour of every day in anticipation of knowing the sex of the latest cub. Since Bai Yun gave birth, I had a feeling it was a girl. A gorgeous and chubby girl at that! I know you had some technical difficulties with the panda-cam, but I still have it up all the time! Thank you for all of your dedicated hard work.
September 13th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Is there any news about Shi Shi? We heard a couple of months ago he may have died.
Thank you for all the great information, video and photos. My workmates tease me that I need to get a pet! How about a panda?!!
September 13th, 2007 at 7:34 pm
#12 Margaret - your comments about Lun & Lani have me wondering how each mother is different. After Tai learned how to walk & after a few weeks outside the keepers found him " high" in a tree past his time to inside & had a time getting him down. Mommy didn't seem concerned at all. It was the same with SuLin- we visited the SDZ in early Feb. 06 - only to find 4 month old SuLin high in her favorite tree (a real disappointment as we could barely see her) with Bai resting on her platform. Lani is a year old now & Lun still seems concerned about her. Are there any studies about how mothers treat their cubs as they want to wander & climb?
Are male cubs treated differently - I did read that male cubs usually stay with their mother longer - wonder why - so many questions about these magnificent animals.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:46 pm
Glad to know it is a girl. She is so beautiful and surprisingly big when held on a palm. I have a feeling that our cubby is more like her Daddy, particularly the band shape on the back and the pair of the rather separate ears.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
YAY!!!!
another baby girl.
how perfect, how active, how bright, how WONDERFUL!
joan
painted post, n.y.
September 13th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Well, got on the SDZ website for the first time late tonite to check in on Bai and Baby, and found out that this cub is a GIRL!! WOW!!! Thank you vets for putting this suspense to rest—FINALLY!! Now we can concentrate on calling this cub HER and SHE from now on! Just looked at the cam, and she's just laying there in her bed of straw sound asleep while Bai is out eating or resting. She is just so cute and plump! Don't know what the Chinese translation for Bright Star is, but I think that everyone that's written on this blog from day one has pretty much been stuck on that name, and it fits her beautifully. Suzanne, add that name to your growing list of suggestions from all of us! Please let us know when you all will let us vote for a name for this cub, ok? When I read the news report of the cub's 4th vet check, nobody mentioned about her eyes being at least partially opened. Those eyes should be opening up by now, and I hope that either Suzanne or one of the vets will tell us about that real soon. Read about Lun Lun and Mei Lan's chasing antics at Atlanta! Didn't get a chance to get on that website to see that happening on their cam today. I'll get on there tomorrow to see what's up with those two pandas!
I'm so glad that we now know that we have a beautiful baby girl panda. She does look very healthy and well fed, thanks to her wonderful mom, Bai Yun!
Gonna go and watch some more pandacam before going to bed. I'll be checking the SDZ site again tomorrow for more panda watching. Oh yeah, I did get on the cam yesterday, and watched Su Lin and Mei Sheng check each other out at the howdy gate. That was fun to watch!
Luv yas to Bai and baby girl,
Chari Mercier
St. Pete, FL
September 13th, 2007 at 8:48 pm
Last night I was sure she was a she. So why do female pandas, at a very early age, exhibit such obvious signs of independence? Squirming away from Mom? Why is there such a big difference between males and females?
I watched Tai from 3 days forward. I watched Mei Lan from birth. There are very visible differences in their behavior.
My God, isn't nature wonderful!!!!! I am sooooo grateful that we get to see so much of this little cutie! She seems so advanced for her age.
September 13th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Our beautiful chubmuffin is a girl…how wonderful that we finally know that Bright Star is a lovely lady panda, who will someday have cubs of her own to love just as Bai Yun adores her!
She is breathtakingly beautiful, and to hear her sweet vocalizations during the 4th exam was delightful; I will be reviewing the video of it frequently, as it is so endearing to watch!
All of you at the SDZ must be thrilled to get your hands on her every week; I'm sure every blogger is so envious of those of you who do…thanks so much for sharing this exciting journey with us!
September 13th, 2007 at 9:50 pm
Can someone translate what " Mei" means - am wondering why we have Mei Xiang (NZ), Mei Sheng(SDZ) & Mei Lan(ZA)which all mean different things. Also wonder why so many pandas have the same name Gao Gao (SDZ), Tian Tian (NZ), Lun Lun, Yang Yang(ZA), YaYa & LeLe (Memphis).
September 14th, 2007 at 3:59 am
Yeah it's a girl
I've been translating Bright Star into Chinese
There are a lot of words for bright!
Bing & Hui = bright/glorious
Cong Ming = bright/clever
Can = bright/beautiful/splendid
Xing = Star (as in stars in the sky not celebrities)
September 14th, 2007 at 5:46 am
A girl — One more potential mom.
Desi #28 — How about Chubette Bubbette????? Now that the suspense is over, we can settle down and watch our little girl develop her own very special personality. Bai Yun has done so well raising cubs that are individual personalities that we can enjoy each for themselves.
SDZ staff: Again, thanks for all the information that you provide us. I, for one, have learned so much from you, starting with the earliest days of Hua Mei.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:32 am
Woo hoo, it's a girl! Congrats to Bai and Gao once again! Time for the proud father to pass out cigars with pink wrapping! To Mei Sheng - you stand alone among many females! What more can a young male bear ask for!
I love the new pictures of cubmuffin! She gets more beautiful by the minute. I'm so glad I can finally write " she!"
Thank you SDZ for letting us all know when you felt comfortable! I can't wait to see this little one become mobile and chase her mother around! What a blessing to be able to tune in to these precious moments!
September 14th, 2007 at 7:04 am
Congratulations!!!! She is beautiful and healthy - can't ask for anything more. Fun to watch a brand new little girl cub grow - our Mei Lan here in Atlanta is a big 1 year old now. Seems like yesterday that she was as cute as this pretty little baby girl.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:29 am
#29 Maureen - I read last year that Bai Yun initiated play from Su Lin, when she was down from her beloved trees. I remember reading the word " finally" related to Su Lin playing with Bai. Apparently Su Lin may not have initiated much play or interaction with Bai until she was over a year old. I recall that she was initiating wrestling and interaction with her mother in January 2007 a few weeks and days prior to their separation. I thought it unusual at the time and still do.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:39 am
This brought back so many memories from when I was pregnant with my daughter 18 years ago. Someone started calling her bear while I was pregnant. My dad was positive it was a girl and started calling her bearette. So now I think we should officially call chubmuffin chubmuffinette.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:39 am
Although Su Lin and Chubmuffin are both girls, from the sounds of the reports on their development, they are very different in both shape, size and personality. I never got the impression that Su Lin was assertive as a cub. But, I have only been watching her on panda cam since March, 2006, when she was about 6-7 months old.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:43 am
Hi Suzanne. Thank you for answering my question about the " humming" or " purring" of bear cubs when they nurse.
As far as this precious diamond (Bao She), I just knew all along that it was a girl. She looks like a little girl!
September 14th, 2007 at 9:11 am
To #44 Maureen, I believe I read on one of the blogs between the three zoos, that when they duplicate a name like Lun Lun it is either good luck or an extra special emphasis. I am sorry to be so vague, I remember reading, just can't exactly remember what the exact wording was.
September 14th, 2007 at 10:03 am
#44 Maureen May I answer the question of panda naming for you.
" Mei" (the written form in Chinese is 美) simply means beautiful. " Mei" is also the short form of USA in Chinese as Chinese call USA " Mei Guo" . Therefore, Mei Xiang means beautiful fragrance. " Sheng" has the meaning of both life and born, so Mei Sheng means beautiful life and born in USA as well. Mei Lan actually means beautiful orchid. Since the pronounication of " Lan" sounds similar to " At - lan - ta" , the name thus also means beautiful Atlanta. But, now the official meaning of Mei Lan is Atlanta Beauty.
Regarding the double word naming, I think it is just for cute and easy to recall, quite similar to the case of " BB" for baby. In fact, not many Chinese parents give their children double name.
Upon my understanding, " tian" in Tian Tian (NZ) means more, " yang" in Yang Yang(ZA) means ocean, " lun" was named after a pop female singer who granted her sponsorship to baby Lun (no special meaning by word). " Ya" means little girl and " le" means happy. It is interesting to point out that the meaning of " gao" in Gao Gao (SDZ) in Chinese is high or tall rather than big. I heard before that since baby Gao was found seriously injured from the wild and people were so afraid of the baby couldn't survive, they gave him this " lucky" name in the hope that he could make it and grow taller and bigger fastly.
September 14th, 2007 at 10:09 am
What a treat! Bai Yun is using her little girl's ample lower half as a pillow! She looks so contented. Thank you for all the wonderful views of the two. This has been the best viewing of mother and child I've experienced. Thanks for all the wonderful information and updates - I especially love it when Bright Star gives her reports!
September 14th, 2007 at 10:27 am
#44 Minor mistake to be corrected. " Getting More" should be the right meaning of the " tian" of Tian Tian in DC.
September 14th, 2007 at 10:29 am
Y H Ng, thanks so much for those explanations on Chinese names, especially the names of all of the pandas that are currently in US zoos. I've been wondering about how the Chinese choose the names as well. That really gives us a very good perspective of how the Chinese think when they are naming their pandas, other animals, or even their own children. That was a very good history lesson on Chinese names for us. The researchers who had Gao Gao before he came to SDZ were totally right in giving him that name, because he did survive and grew up big and strong. Now, he's a prolific father of 3 " kids" and just thoroughly enjoying life as a panda! I know that Maureen will appreciate this explanation as well. Gonna go and watch the baby girl on the pandacam!
Chari Mercier
St. Pete, FL
September 14th, 2007 at 12:27 pm
Conversation with Bright Star #3
Vet 1: (whisper)
Vet 2: (whisper)
Bright Star: Squawk (Ugh! That's getting tight.)
V1: (whisper)
B: Squawk (Loosen up that grip, please. I'm a fattie now.)
V2: (whisper)
B: [Oh, it's Eau de Dr. Meg?]
V1: (whisper)
B: Squeak, squeak, squeak…
(sings excerpts of " I Enjoy Being A Girl" from Rodgers and Hammerstein musical Flower Drum Song)
I'm a girl, and by me that's only great!
I am proud that my silhouette is curvy,
That I walk with a sweet and girlish gait
With my hips kind of swivelly and swervy.
When I have a brand new hairdo
With my eyelashes all in curl,
I float as the clouds on air do,
I enjoy being a girl!
September 14th, 2007 at 1:02 pm
I keep thinking this baby is chubby, at 6 weeks, Su Lin was still chubbier. Their birthdays being just one day apart, it'll be very interesting to see how this girl grows compared to Miss Little Bit.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Nicknames parents gave to their children in China are almost always in two same characters, e.g. Bao Bao, Mei Mei, Bei Bei, Huan Huan …. etc etc. They carry a lot of affections by repeating the same character. Among very dear friends if they grew up together, they address each other by nicknames sometimes. In some cases parents address their children by nicknames even if the children are growups now. It is not uncommon for siblings to address each other by nicknames as well. Pets are usually given doubling-the-same-character names to show the owner's affection. Actually " pet" in Chinese is " Cong Wu" , which literally means " that spoiled lovable thing" .
September 14th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
Too Cute P Wong! ! ! ! ! !
September 14th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
#54 Y.H. Ng:
I also have a version of " Beautiful Orchid." It is Ching Lan
September 14th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
#54 Y.H. Ng Thank you so much for explaining the panda names. Margaret thanks for help also. As far a cubs climbing trees & LunLun's protective behavior - it's my understanding that cubs climb trees for safety while mommy is out foraging bamboo - safer in a tree than on the ground. So obviously this behavior didn't bother MeiXiang or Bai bit it sure upsets LunLun -wonder why.
Our little girl is a chubbie.
September 14th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
Maureen #44,
The use of MEI in the panda names has various meaning. With Hua Mei, the name meant CHINA-USA. The Chinese name for the US is " Mei Guo" , while " Hua" is a version of literary term for China (usually " Zhuonghua or Zhuongguo" ). The Chinese selected our first cub's name to signify the collaboration between the two nations in work to benefit the panda species.
We chose Mei Sheng's name ourselves; we used MEI in that sense to again reflect USA, as his name can be translated to BORN IN THE USA.
The use of MEI in MEI LAN and MEI XIONG has a different meaning that our MEIs did. In the case of these bears, MEI is translated as " beautiful" or " beauty" , which is the common way it translates when applied in names of girls born in China. So essentially, US zoos have applied two ways of interpreting the word MEI. This results from the fact that the word MEI can reflect four different pronounciations derived from the original Mandarin. Since each of the pinyin (or romanized) Mandarin words has multiple pronounciations, it can be difficult sometimes to understand exactly what meaning an individual's name might have. This is why it is important to consult the Chinese character for clarity. The Mandarin characters for MEI are actually different between Hua Mei and Mei Lan as a result.
It can also make it challenging to know precisely how to pronounce a name. When you see SHI SHI, you may think it is most appropriately pronounced like " shee shee" ; but in fact, that pronounciation is closer to saying " thank you" in CHinese than it is to saying " rock" , the actual meaning of his name. The real pronounciation of SHI SHI is something more complex, a bit akin to saying " shz-ye shz-ye" . Sadly I have to admit that most of us in San Diego found it very hard to master the true pronounciation of his name.
Speaking of SHI SHI, you asked why some bears have repeated names, including GAO GAO and TIAN TIAN. This is a common way in which speakers of the Chinese language confer affection when addressing an individual. Many children are referred to with this type of double nomenclature, and I have known more than one little girl called MEI MEI. The Chinese employ this practive frequenly when naming their pandas too… including one called MEI MEI!
Fun question!
September 14th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
P. Wong - That's PERFECT! I love it - and we are so happy she is a girl too - curves and all! She's just the cutest, cuddliest, little girl! Thank you again - you made my day!
September 14th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
I just peaked in the nursery den and saw the little cublett sound asleep….Cute!!!
September 14th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Btw. If anyone is interested in viewing/hearing Yang Yang (means " sunshine" ) and cubbie in Vienna, go to Youtube and search with " panda Vienna." Then view the most recent clip titled " Panda in Schonbrunn." Enjoy!
September 14th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
I know a lot of people are set on Bright Star for a name, but how about recognizing our wonderful mama Bai Yun (since this could be her last cub), and choosing a name like Bright Cloud, or Little Cloud?
September 14th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
# 60 Yun Wen — that is so cute " that spoiled lovable thing†- I think I just might name my next adopted pet " Cong Wu" - I love that. And I love this blog - I learn so much and find so much joy in sharing my thoughts - and reading what everyone else thinks - especially learning about the Chinese culture and language. Who knew a little black & white fluff ball could bring so many people together. She's a cutie all right - but I've decided not to call her chubby any more - I don't want to hurt her feelings. I think I will refer to her - until she is formally named -as our " fuzzy little cubby" - she is just too adorable.
September 14th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Suzanne - Thanks for interesting lesson in the Chinese language - & we thought English spelling was bad.
Our chubby cubbie looks content tonight.
September 14th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
Thank you to Suzanne and everyone else who explained about Chinese names for pandas. I had read many different reasons, but now I understand much better.
Like Sayuri, I was surprised to read that Su Lin's stats at 6 weeks were bigger than for the little cubbette. I watched Su Lin from the beginning and I would have sworn that she was a bit smaller. But there is something about this baby–maybe it's her plump front legs or her round head–that makes me think she is going to have Bai Yun's build more than Su did. Whatever her size, watching her and Bai nose to nose, or the baby stretching out and yawning is so sweet and smile-producing… a great pick-me-up any time of the day or night.
September 14th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
#69 Cheryl - you are so right about us panda lovers sharing info - & I agree we should't call our fuzzy little cubbie chubby anymore.
September 14th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Desi #28 - I agree, now that we know the cub is a girl, Chubba Bubba just doesn't quite fit. I thought of Pudgey Princess, but as Cheryl #69 mentioned, we don't want to hurt her feelings. Although, chubby or pudgey is probably a compliment in the world of pandas. Anyway, she is absolutely beautiful and we won't have long before the 100 day mark and she can be named. I can't wait for the next milestone - the opening of the eyes, yeah!
September 14th, 2007 at 7:21 pm
I've been watching videos of Lun Lun & Mei Lan on youtube.com & and have a question - it seems like Lun initiates 95% of the play sessions - which seems unusal - in watching other mothers it's the cubs who are the haunts. Also Lun seems distressed everytime Lani is on the climbing structure - know we have talked about this before but wonder if anyone has an answer. Will be curious to see how Bai handles this when her fuzzy wubbie cubbie climbs her first tree.
September 14th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
It's too bad that Mei Sheng & Su Lin couldn't get together - the theory being Mei was too big & rambuctious - but from what I see at the NZ when TianTian tries to play with Mei Xiang & she is not in the mood she gives him a big swat & he runs off. Seems like females are in charge of play time. Any studies done on this??
September 14th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
I have really enjoyed reading the comments, all about the different names of panda's and the Chinese language. I also really enjoyed P.Wong's wonderful comment. Also, thank you so much Yun Wen for naming my next pet. " Cong Wu" it is. I cannot leave without thanking the wonderful staff, and especially Suzanne,for all the great info you give us on life with Panda's. Bai Yun and Gao Gao, congratulations on another job very well done. What beautiful babies you make together!
September 14th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
In one of the baby panda pictures, there are little balls that look like they are coming out of her chest…what are those!?! It's on the panda page.
Moderator's note: Those are the fingertips of the keeper holding the cub.
September 14th, 2007 at 11:11 pm
MEI HONG - does that even come close to meaning " beautiful rainbow?" If so, that's my pick. Thanks to the experts on the blog, you are educating us all! I have been entralled with the cam shots of the little girl…what a wonder to watch. I find it interesting that mama pandas use their front paws to " scoop" up their babies, much like a cat. It must feel really good to be on the receiving end of Bai's bear hug.
Paula in TX - coming to the Zoo in 2 months!
September 15th, 2007 at 1:31 am
Wow, I'm happy to know the gender of panda cub is finally revealed to be a girl!
My guess was right!
Congratulations to SDZ!
BTW. I LOVE to call " Bright Star" which a lot of people here christened your little baby…
She is a really " Bright Star" of the world!
September 15th, 2007 at 5:43 am
Now that this cub has been deemed quite healthy, I wonder if you could consider an answer to my question. I had the good fortune to visit Ling Ling and Hsing Hsing at the NZ during the 80s and that was when my love for the panda began. I was always so hopeful with each cub birth during that time, and then sad when each cub died, especially so quickly. Have we learned why Ling's cubs suffered so often from pneumonia and has that contributed to how captive birthing areas are currently designed? I suppose I wonder if the incidence rate for newborn pneumonia is related more to environment than to hereditary factors. Thank you for all your research and sharing of that knowledge with us.
September 15th, 2007 at 8:10 am
I am laughing at the anthropomorphic comments about calling the cub " chubby!" I really don't think " chubby" is such a bad thing for a panda (or most babies). Can you imagine a skinny panda? Not a great visual!
Regarding the comments on Lun Lun and Mei Lan, who I have watched religiously since shortly after Mei Lan was born — the panda areas at Zoo Atlanta do not seem to have the abundance of tall trees we see in SD and DC. Mei has mostly climbed structures and typically sleeps at the highest point she can get to, as her instincts dictate. And Lun Lun has always pulled her back to the ground when she's had the opportunity. Once I got over my fear that Mei would be injured by Lun Lun literally throwing her to the ground, I have found it very amusing to watch this. I wonder if the other cubs would have been subjected to the same " discipline" if they had not been able to get high up in the trees that were available to them?
I also want to reiterate my plea that the Zoo post a video of Su Lin and Mei Sheng at the Howdy Gate for those of us who've missed those encounters. Please???
September 15th, 2007 at 8:24 am
What A CUTE GIRL this week!!! Just when I think SHE can not get any cuter, they post another picture! After all these years of watching, I know that the best is yet to come! She really did shoot up the beautiful meter this past week though. Once those eyes are open and she can look at her world, she will really be adorable!
I will NEVER tire of watching these animals!
September 15th, 2007 at 10:46 am
#67 P Wong: Thanks for the tip on the Pandas in Schönbrunn, Austria. That was a great closeup clip of mom and cub. I also viewed the clip of the adults mating in Austria last April. I had to laugh out loud at the comments (in German, folks) made to the TV reporter from the visitors to their reactions of the mating. Bai Yun and Gao Gao " have it going on" , while the Austrian pandas are more intense with each other. That video is worth a look also! " Pandas mating" is its title.
September 15th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
#80 Denise - I remember reading that Ling Ling suffered from chronic urinary tract infections and that at least one of the cubs died from infection passed from mother to cub.
September 15th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Hi! When do they have the contest to pick the official name of Bright Star? I think I read that a translation for " Bright Star" may be " Bing Xing" . That would be my vote. I also agree with Carol # 81 to please post a video of Su Lin and Mei Sheng at the Howdy Gate. I never catch that on the Panda Cam. Especially since he will be leaving soon! Thatnk you SDZ for all of your hard work!
September 15th, 2007 at 7:41 pm
I've checked on the ZA site for info on LunLun & found she was separated from her mother at 4 1/2 months(while YangYang stayed with his mother for 13 months - Lun & Yang have been together since she was 1 year old) Wonder if this has anything to do with her protective behavior with Mei Lan - so many questions about these wonderful animals.
Got a great glimpse of our fuzzy cubbie earlier - still growing every day.
September 15th, 2007 at 8:36 pm
I can go to sleep happy tonight because I saw Bright Star in her den, resting next to her momma's arm. What a great image — the stuff good dreams are made of!
Nighty. night! Sleep well, dear starlet!
Love, Joy
Thanks to all those at SDZ that made this dream possible!
September 15th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
#62 Emma Since I'm not a Mandarin native speaker, I've to check with the dictionary to find out the meaning of the word " ching" . I found it's quite complicated because it may involve two different Ping Yin systems (kind of phonetic alphabats) that one is employed in Taiwan and the other is used in Peking. I think " ching" in Peking Putunghau should be " jing" .
" jing" in Chinese form is éš, it means beautiful.
The pronounciation of " éš" in Cantonese is " liang" . In Cantonese world, " liang" is a colloquial language. Though speaking all the time, students are not encouraged to use this word in their homework. We use the word " mei" in essay instead. However, it is quite different in Mandarin world. They accept it in essay and so far as I know there are at least two celebrities in China with " jing" in their names.
Anyway, " Ching Lan" or " Jing Lan" means beautiful orchid and is a beautiful name for sure. But, at the same time, " liang lan" is not easily pronounced for a Cantonese.
Hope my explanation doesn't confuse you.
September 16th, 2007 at 8:06 am
About 8:00 a.m. Sunday, cubbette was ***this close*** to escape, right at den entrance–mama Bai disapproved, it seems, and was there in a flash to snatch her back, LOL.
September 16th, 2007 at 8:49 am
What a surprise that " Bright Star" is a little GIRL!! I thought for sure it was a boy–so chubby and strong. I have immensely enjoyed reading about her and the exam results. I love watching her, but am disappointed that the camera has not yet been repaired. Are the parts being made and /or shipped from CHINA (pun intended)? Yet, I am happy for whatever glimpses we get. I think it was yesterday (?) that she was on her back and trying to sit up or turn over. It really looked as if she was attempting " sit-ups." She finally made it over, though. Yeah! I enjoy reading all of the comments from other " Pandaholics" and Pandamaniacs." It makes me feel good that there are so many others whose hearts are warmed by this little girl.
September 16th, 2007 at 10:18 am
Hi, you all! Just wanted to write back to you to let you know about that special program that's coming up on CNN. Sorry about the date that I gave you in my earlier statement last week, but I finally got the correct dates and times that this program will be on. This is corrected info: The program is called " Planet in Peril" , and this will be broadcast on CNN on October 23 and 24, 2007, at 9:00 PM EDT, 8:00 CDT; people in the mountain and Pacific time zones will need to check your cable listings on the time that this program will be on in your areas. This is a collaboration between Anderson Cooper and Jeff Corwin along with other conservation researchers about the state of our world and whether global warming has anything to do with what's been happening in mostly the sensitive habitats that are being pressured right now. More than likely there will be segments on the polar bears, the pandas, tigers, amphibians, reptiles, as well as plant life around the world. Habitat conservation has become the huge watchword over the last few years because habitats are the real key to how well wild animals will be able to survive and live in this world. Animal Planet has this new program also called ROAR. This is also a way for people to get involved in the conservation efforts here in the USA as well as around the world. Our loveable pandas are under pressure in the wild because we all know that their habitat range has shrunk over the last several years. With just nearly 1,600 wild pandas still living, we need to do all we can to make sure that they are still around for future generations. That's why all of the pandas in our US zoos and around the world are so very important in the research and conservation efforts that's ongoing now. Bai Yun, Gao Gao, Mei Sheng, Shi Shi, Hua Mei, Su Lin, Little Baby Cub #4, Mei Xiang, Tian Tian, Tai Shan, Lun Lun, Yang Yang, Mei Lan, Ya Ya, and Le Le in the 4 USA zoos that have these very important pandas are a part of a large effort in the research that's being done to understand the behaviors, attitudes of these pandas, and how " they tick" in their everyday lives. I do hope that everyone involved with these wonderful pandas will get their answsers about these great bears along with and coinciding with the research being done at both Wolong and Chengdu, China, as well as other research stations and zoos in China. The info and data that you all will be getting will be fascinating and interesting to be sure!
Well, saw the little girl on the pandacam sound asleep with her head on Bai's very large arm. CUTE!! Will check back later on to see how they are doing. Gotta go and do some things. Hope this new info about the CNN program will help you all out and hopefully you will be interested in watching it.
Lots of luv yas to Bai and baby girl,
Chari Mercier
St. Pete, FL
September 16th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
#84 Kathy–thank you so much for your informative response. Do you know of any book available about the lives of Ling Ling and Hsing Hsing? I never thought then (during the 80s) that I would be fortunate enough to have such a close and continuous relationship as I enjoy now via the panda cams across the country.
I will be in SD on business later this month and have already planned an extra few hours to visit the SDZ and its pandas. Although Memphis is so close to me, I have not visited the pandas there but will plan a trip before the end of the year. Instead of buying me something to clutter my already overstuffed shelves, last year my leadership team adopted, in my name, a giant panda from the NZ (that I visit several times each year). Although we do not have giant pandas in St Louis, we do have an absolutely phenomenal zoo–that is free to enter. From there I have received a gift of a river otter adoption in my name. I encourage others to ask for such gifts if the opportunity presents itself.
Moderator's note: The San Diego Zoo has an adoption program at http://www.sandiegozoo.org/adopt/index.html
September 16th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
Our little angel looks so STRONG! When Bai leaves the den, she turns into quite the wiggle-worm, all kinds of frantic activity and then, just like any baby, instant snooze time. She's just amazing! We are so fortunate to be able to witness all this. I suppose just like everyone else, I just wish I could pick her up and give her a snuggle.
September 16th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
#89-Mary–I saw that, too, and was so surprised to see how close the baby was to the entrance of the den. It reminded me of all the times Su Lin would hover on the edge of the den, looking like she would take off any minute. And now look at Su! I want to savor the newborn stage with this little girl. They become independent so fast. Speaking of which, after Bai pulled her back into the den, the cubbette made a complete circle before plopping down and falling asleep.
September 16th, 2007 at 4:07 pm
Hi Suzanne
thank you for your continuing updates regarding the rapid progress of Bai's - 'My Fair Lady'.
I think your next write up will be headed 'The Great Escape' because 'she' is definitley heading to make an escape from the den at her earliest possible opportunity!
I think Bai's young lady enjoyed her trip to C11 with mom on the 2nd September, once she has her eyes fully open she will be a challenge for Bai to keep under control.
Thank you to all staff at SDZ who make it possible for us to also enjoy the 'Panda Magic'…..
September 16th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
Dear Panda Fans,
We are now 6 weeks into the official 100 day ceremony….what fun awaits us daily!!! Thank You to all the Panda personnel!! Thank You Momma Bai!!
I am totally tickled by the fact that Bright Star has been little Miss' name early on and now we are attempting to translate this into her official name. Thank you Y.H. Ng for the translation. The name is beautiful! I do have to admit, though, I call Lun Lun at the Atlanta Zoo Lun(short vowel 'U') Lun(short vowel 'U') rather than the Loon Loon manner in which her name is to be pronounced. She does, on occasion, live up to what we in the USA call " Looney Tunes" but I love to call her Lun (short vowel 'U').
I suspect that Bai's Baby will be forever known as Bright Star
We are having treats of a lifetime! I for one am very thrilled!
Sincerely,
Bobbie Wood
September 16th, 2007 at 8:11 pm
As we watch how much love & care our panda mothers at the US zoos give their cubs, it amazes me that any cubs in the wild survive. Zoo mommy's have bamboo, treats, loving keepers & vets ready to step in at any sign of distress of a cub While dams in the wild have to leave their cubs for hours at time while they forage for bamboo - leaving their fragile cubs to the cold & predators. I've watched Mei Xiang, Bai & Lun all show great love for their cubs & am thankful they are all here at zoos in the US.
September 16th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
We want to say thank you to the San Diego Zoo for taking care of these pandas and for sharing them with us via the Panda Cam! We have been enjoying the PandaCam and have been watching it every day. Getting such a close-up view of these amazing animals is an extraordinary opportunity.
Thank you to the Web Cam operators who focus in on the pandas for a better view!
We love Bai Yun and her baby girl!
Sarah and Carol in Minnesota
September 17th, 2007 at 4:11 am
Too funny! It's 4 a.m in SD and the cub was by itself, stuck on her back and throwing a hissy fit! Her arms and legs were flailing all about and her mouth opening and closing constantly. I'd guess there was ALOT of vocalizing going on. After a couple minutes of this Bai arrived and just about then the cub managed on her own to roll over! Bai now has her snuggled close safe and sound. Early breakfast time!
All is well in the panda den Mon. morning……….
September 17th, 2007 at 7:42 am
Did you switch Mei Sheng and Su Lin?
Moderator's note: Yes. Our Panda Cam camera list will change shortly to reflect this.
September 17th, 2007 at 8:30 am
Shi Shi on youtube. Hello everyone, I was searching youtube last night for the latest clips on our pandas and was pleasantly surprised to find a couple of clips showing Shi Shi in his cage and having a carrot snack. You might want to have a look.
I was watching the SDZ webcam last night and was fortunate enough to catch our precious girl nursing and mama Bai changing positions without letting go of our 'star'. Neat!!
September 17th, 2007 at 10:24 am
I noticed Sunday night that Mei Sheng was on cam 4. It's the way he eats. The boy just eats and he can't sit still. On the contrary, Su has manners. She eats just like her mom. She's a neat eater.
Since his crate is right behind the left side yard, this kind of makes sense. What would you do if he manages to come home (hitching a ride, etc.) after he moves to Wolong? He is, after all, Gao Gao's kid. I can so picture Mei Sheng sitting in front of the zoo, waiting to be let in. " Hi! I'm home! Can we play?"
OK, back to cubbie.
September 17th, 2007 at 11:24 am
Suzanne, Maureen #74 brings up an interesting research question which I imagine you and others have documented. How much play is initiated by mother vs. cub? I agree with Maureen that it seems to vary widely among specific mother cub pairs, but Bai Yun seemed to initiate play with Su Lin too. It has appeared to me that Mei Lan did the initiation, including waking Lun up from " naps" but I may not have gotten the " whole picture." I have seen Lun go after Mei with gusto as referred to in the past week as " panda war." It looked like Lun was intent on playing when Mei might have had ideas of climbing or resting.
I did not see Mei Sheng or Hua Mei with Bai Yun, so I don't know who did most of the play initiation with her then.
In the early days, Mei Xiang seemed to initiate play with Tai Shan, but after age 1, he obviously pestered her to play with him.
September 17th, 2007 at 11:43 am
Thanks to everyone for the Chinese naming and pronunciation lessons.
I am grateful for the opportunity to see these cubs growing and developing before my eyes. Every day I learn something new about the behavior of the pandas from the research being conducted on pandas at 4 US zoos. The science being conducted is not only 1st class, but it is being freely shared with all who wish to participate so they can help in the long range quest for conservation of endangered species and their habitats. AND, in addition we are treated to great poems, and Chinese lessons. What more could anyone ask for - especially when it is FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is not often that one has the opportunity to read/hear the conversations between panda parents, siblings, breeding pairs, mother and cubs, etc. We must interpret through human eyes and perspective what the " real" communication going on is.
Great account of the " interaction" between Mei Lan and Yang Yang at ZA through the closed training panel between the outdoor yards. By scent and sound they " inquired" about what was on the other side. Reminds me of the sniffing and " inquiring" that Mei Sheng did when Su Lin first went to the back area. I recall reading that he tried to look through the cracks to see what was on the other side.
September 17th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
Re #74 and #103 - with Lun Lun and Mei Lan, it seems the hunted became the hunter. Early on, Lun seemed to initiate the play-fighting, often to the point of Mei becoming completely exhausted. But now with Mei's size and energy level, she seems to go after Lun first a lot of the time. Lately, I've noticed that Lun seems less interested in keeping up long periods of play. I've also noticed that during recent daytime nursing bouts, Lun cuts Mei off after about 5 minutes, whereas the sessions used to last about 20 minutes. Lun rolls out of the hammock or just walks off, depending on where they are. I'm guessing this is a prelude to weaning, Mom's way of encouraging the cub to begin foraging for food elsewhere, and preparing the cub to live the solitary life that will come when the two are separated. BTW, do I watch too much PandaCam to make these assertions? You bet I do!
September 17th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
Suzanne, I have new research quesitons for you.
Did Su Lin or Mei Sheng show any recollection of being in the areas they are in now? If I recall correctly, this is the first time Su Lin has been in that area since her separation from Bai Yun. Mei Sheng has been in the area he is in now, but not for many months. Did they do much exploring, sniffing for scent marks, etc. Since they have been interacting more at the Howdy Gate in recent weeks, it would have been natural for them to seek out the panda they were interacting with at the gate. Switching yards allowed them to follow their natural instincts and searching. It is also great training for Mei Sheng in preparation for similar encounters in Wolong in a month or so. It appears from photos of Wolong enclosures that he will have sensory, if not visual, opportunities to get to " know' other pandas in adjacent enclosures.
Is the Howdy Gate still open since they have been switched? If so, are they still showing any interest in each other? It would also be interesting to see their reaction to another panda being in the space they just left that is adjacent to where they are now. Do the pandas in the wild roam in primarily " new" territory, or do they do circuits and return to areas where they have previously been?
Do they ever allow 4 year old pandas in the same enclosure, other than perhaps sisters that I have read about, or pairing that are being prepared to go to go other facilities?
Is Mei Sheng likely to remain at Wolong for his breeding years, or might he be paired with another genetically valuable female and sent somewhere else to live with more space and attention?
September 17th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Did Bai Yun tend to pace around the bottom of the tree where Su Lin was sleeping when she was 1 year old. I have seen Lun pace before, but this afternoon, Mei Lan has been peacefully sleeping on the indoor climbing structure, and for the past hour or so Lun has been " pacing" back and forth in the room, especially underneath where Mei Lan is sleeping. Since the door to their off exhibit area is closed, it doesn't look like they plan to move them off exhibit soon. I wonder if this behavior is because she wants/feels the need to nurse her, or wants her to play, or what. She doesn't stop under her, or try to stand up and wake her, she just keeps circling under the structure where she is sleeping. She hasn't stopped to eat, just to defecate. She tends to get more restless late in the afternoon, presumably because she is moved off exhibit at about 5 PM and given her huge evening meal. I can recall her having an entire room full of bamboo totally engulfing Mei Lan, her at the time newly mobile cub. I remember reading that Bai Yun would pace around the exhibit around the time that fresh supplies of bamboo were brought in the middle of the day. Is that mimicking the searching or foraging behavior that the pandas would have at certain times of the day in the wild? Will a mother panda circle the tree where her cub is sleeping before going off to forage, or maybe after returning? How does a mother panda get her cub to come down to nurse, or play? Presuming of course that wild panda cubs " play" with their mothers like captive ones do. Since play in animals is mostly life skills training, it would seem that they must do some playing, but I sure don't know when or how a wild mother panda has time or energy.
September 17th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
Just watch the little cutie roll around and do her exercises, then take a little nape. She is so adorable.
September 17th, 2007 at 3:47 pm
Maragaret #106, those are all excellent questions. I have had some of the same thoughts. As to Mei Sheng being sent to a zoo where he will receive some of the love, attention, stimulation and comfort that has been given to him since his birth, I so hope that will be the case. I watched his birth and baby years, enchanted by his little devilish self! It is hard enough to say goodbye to this precious bear, never mind thinking he might go from being everyone's DARLING to just being " one of the crowd" from now on. His flight date will be a very, very sad one around this computer, for sure.
September 17th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Ok - it was mentioned earlier that we should not call our little girl 'chubbette' but the close up shot of her right now makes it look like she is about 2/3 butt! That is one big white diaper! Bai there is no doubt your baby is well fed! It's going to take some stout and powerful back legs to get that hind end off the floor!
TOO CUTE!
Great job Meercats on the close ups of handsome Mei Sheng tonight.
September 17th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
This is such a great website - not only to we get see our latest fuzzy cubbie grow daily ( and today I couldn't believe how much Bright Star has grown) but there are so many dedicated panda lovers with questions & answers that we all have. When I checked this afternoon I couldn't beleive I was seeing our cubbie - she was huge and had her mouth wide open (Mommy, where are you) & squirming all over - she seems ready to take off - though know that will be a few more weeks - such fun - thanks to alll.
September 17th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Wow, what great shots of our cubbie tonight - she is growing fast & furious - much to Bai;s dismay, I'm sure.
September 17th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
Bai has much more patience than I ever had as a mother! I watched her reel in a squirming little girl tonight…the cub wanted to go dancing, it appears! Bai managed to convince her to " go to sleep, already" …and now I think Bai is thinking about heading out of the den for a late-night snack.
Questions for the dedicated and appreciated handlers: what happens when the cub walks out of the den - and when will the baby girl walk? Will there be a special house built between the den and the general habitat?
This website and blog are so wonderful, and it's just astounding to watch the little cub grow so FAST. Thanks, all!
Paula in Texas
September 17th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Am watching Bai outside her den with our fuzzy (not so lttle) cubbie wrigiling to get out - way too cute - she'll be onthe go soon.
September 17th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
10 PM SDZ time: I'm excited because I think I just saw video of Bai Yun and Bright Star outside the den, and I think I saw Bright Star playing with Bai Yun, nipping her in the paw.
I might be seeing things. It is sometimes hard to tell, but I think that's what I saw!
If I did see it, I'm so thrilled to have this opportunity. If not, it was still pretty amazing footage of the two of them.
I'm curious: was the cub born in the den? I remember seeing video of the births of other cubs and they were born in a big room. Then, sometime later the Mother carried them into the den. I was wondering if Bai Yun had seen the cub in its " awkward phase" — or is this the first glimpse she is getting of what she looks like.
Either way, Bright Star is Beautiful! (But I think we have enough pandas named " Mei" in the US.) But, she is beautiful–Mei!
Love, Joy
Moderator's note: All of Bai Yun's cubs were born in the den.
September 18th, 2007 at 8:20 am
I remember watching Mei Lan last year try for weeks to get her chubby back end off the ground. If Bright Star has enough non-slippery surface underneath her she will succeed once she gets her back legs strong enough. It appeared that Mei Lan's biggest challenge was the slippery painted concrete floor. ZA keepers tried various things to get a better surface under her. Lun would keep moving her so it was difficult to keep them there for more than a day at a time.
I remember watching my puppy do the same thing. She crawled backwards for much longer than she went forward. It appears that the front legs gain strength faster, maybe because they are used to nurse, similar to how a baby learns to hold its own bottle?
September 18th, 2007 at 8:49 am
It is interesting to watch the dynamics between Mei Xiang and Tian Tian at NZP. She definitely has the greater control and is more dominant. Tian was eating a piece of bamboo while they were sitting beside each other quietly snacking. She reached out for it but he wouldn't let her have it. So she reared and pushed him. He backed away with the stalk in his mouth and continued to eat it. She turned to the pile where he had just been picked up another piece and started eating. No aggression, just polite tolerance and assertiveness. They seem to have worked out how to relate to each other in an adult state. Keeping them together during the day provides enrichment and exercise. They keep each other active and alert. No depression around that place that's for certain!
September 18th, 2007 at 8:58 am
Wow, great panda cam work lately. There were excellent shots of momma Bai very early this morning holding, cuddling and cleaning her latest miracle baby. As Candy #110 mentioned, she shape of our " little" cubette is really changing - it looks like she is almost as wide as she is long. Maybe we should call her cube-ette.
September 18th, 2007 at 8:59 am
Even funnier is to watch Mr Personality (Tai Shan) sitting on the ledge, leaning up against the class with his back to his fans, eating voraciously. He just finished his training and is really chowing down. How blessed are the folks at NZP Asia Trail this morning to be seeing a 2 year old panda with just thick glass separating them??? There is a volunteer sitting on the ledge on the other side of the glass to keep the curious zoo goers from touching the glass and " startling" Tai Shan. At the rate he is chomping, I doubt much will distract him at this moment.
September 18th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Hi, I'm so glad that the San Diego Zoo has trees for the young pandas to climb. It is obvious that they enjoy cllimbing very much. I do get nervous sometimes when Su Lin goes out on thin branches but, I think she does this to get closer to seeing her older brother??
Has the webcam been fixed? It still seems very dark but perhaps it is a cloudy day in San Diego? I haven't seen the precious baby girl yet today because my internet site was down most of the day. Now it is just a matter of waiting
but, I am so happy to just watch Su Lin. Thank you.
September 18th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
Hi, in looking at the pictures of Gao-Gao, Bai Yun, Su Lin, Hua Mei and Mei Sheng: Have you noticed how much Su Lin is actually looking just like Bai Yun, and how much alike Mei Sheng looks like Gao-Gao? Both look almost identical to each parent.
Also, it is interesting to note, how big Panda Bears are, compared to how tiny they are born. How is it possible that such a big animal can have such a tiny little bear, and also for being such a big animal, how short is the gestational period of the Pandas.
Thanks. Rebecca Souza
September 18th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Hi! Checking in on Bai and baby girl tonite. First time on pandacam was when I saw little girl was all by herself sleeping. I noticed that she has done some more growing again! I agree about the " big butt" , you all! Look out because that growth spurt will get started soon enough! A few minutes later, got back on the pandacam and saw Bai laying down on her stomach for the first time that I know of since before her baby was born with baby girl snuggled right next to her big arm. Good for her! It looks like she's starting to get very comfortable in her sleeping positions lately now that her daughter has grown some and has some good thick fur on her now to stay warm.
When are the vets gonna let us know about those eyes opening up? They should be opening up right about now at least partially. That's going to really go into fun mode #10 once she does get those eyes opened up totally, then she's gonna really figure out those legs and get going to see this brave new world that she was born into! I remember when the other 3 cubs–Su Lin, Tai Shan, and Mei Lan–had opened up their eyes and started to do their beginning crawling/walking stages. They were fun to watch and also fun to watch their moms try to control them after these cubs got going! Once this little girl gets her legs under her and starts moving, Bai will have to go thru this round again for the 4th time chasing down her cub! Can't wait to see that when it happens!
Well, gonna go and do some more cub watching. Zoo vets, let us know when those little peepers start opening up, ok? When's the cub's next vet check anyway? Maybe we'll know at that time, I hope!
Luv yas to Bai and Baby Girl,
Chari Mercier
St. Pete, FL
Suzanne, need another update from you! It's been a little over a week since the last one! Hope to hear from you in a couple of days. Thanks!
September 18th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
Margaret (#119), I've been watching Tai Shan (DC), too! He does have a great personality, does he? He just sits there and chomps away on that bamboo and doesn't let anyone or anything bother him at all. Once he gets to eating, that is ALL he thinks about! Have you noticed how messy he is when he eats?? I have, and I think that is hilarious! That's part of his great, wonderful personality that he has! I'm glad that the National Zoo is keeping him there for another couple of years. More time to watch this panda be his usual funny self! A couple of days ago, got on their pandacam and saw either Mei Xiang or Tian Tian sitting in the pool of water just cooling off and possibly napping! That was a great moment of contentment! Anyway, we'll be seeing those same things pretty much thru the SDZ site soon enough when Bai and baby girl start playing and chasing each other!
Gonna go and watch pandacam!
Chari Mercier
St. Pete, FL
September 18th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
I watched a nice play session with MeiXiang & Tian this afternoon - complete with some somersaults. They looks so happy to be back together. While I mentioned this a great site to exchange information, I miss the daily updates we got from NZ & ZA. When Tia was born they told us every move mommy & cub made - & ZA did the same for months. Miss that info - but am grateful to our beautiful Bright Star healthy & growing every day. Last night I saw her place on pile of (bamboo or straw?) near the door while Bai rested outside. Too cute.
September 18th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
What a cute baby the little girl is turning out to be - great webcam, thanks to the IT department!
I have to ask a " political" question, but I must - why do the pandas have to go back to China, and if they are born here why are they in essence " owned" by China? I understand there was a deal made between our countries for the " loan" of pandas to repopulate the species, but wonder if there is some sort of quota we can maintain in U.S. zoos per that agreement. I am not questioning the care in Chinese animal habitats, just wondering why there are only 10 giant pandas in U.S. facilities, when it's clear we can care for them and effectively breed them out of extinction.
Thoughts, anyone?
Paula
September 18th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
I found this today on the ZA website - The Legend of How Pandas Got Their Markings
Long ago a family of humble shepherds made its home in the remote hills of China. Each day the shepherds led their animals to graze in the pastures near the bamboo forest. Frequently a little panda would wander from the forest to join the flock. Perhaps the young panda mistook the sheep for its own kind, for in those days pandas were all white. One day, as the panda roamed among the sheep, a huge leopard sprang from the forest. The sheep scattered and ran away, but the little panda was too slow to escape. He surely would have been killed by the leopard if not for the bravery of a young shepherdess. She ran to her friend's aid and began beating the leopard furiously with a stick. The leopard turned from the panda and attacked the girl. Although she fought bravely, the shepherdess was no match for the leopard. News of the shepherdess' brave deed quickly spread through the forest. When the other pandas heard the story, they began to cry and throw ashes upon themselves in mourning. As they wiped their tears away, their dirty paws left dark smudges around their eyes. As they hugged each other, their paws stained their arms and legs. And when the pandas tried to muffle the sound of their sobs by covering their ears, they blackened them as well. Ever since that day, pandas have worn these markings out of respect for the shepherdess who died so that one of their kind might live.
September 18th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
What a delight this site is. I found it by accident when the cub was 10 days old and just can't stop watching. I keep my laptop next to me on the couch and watch our little cub throughout the evening. She was kicking her little back legs so hard tonight that it looked like she might take a step! But it sounds from the blog like that might be a couple of weeks yet. Thanks so much for this site and adjusting the camera so often so we can see her.
September 19th, 2007 at 9:04 am
I too miss the updates. I do wish the other two sites would have a blog as this one does where we can comment, but I do miss the keepers updates. They grow up too fast. I remember the first time I ever saw a panda and it was Bai and Sheng at the SDZ. I was hooked ever since.
September 19th, 2007 at 9:34 am
Paula #125, I also would like to know what the China/US agreement was, and in what timeframe. Hopefully, we will soon have a young, breeding US pair, so that we Americans can also increase our zoo populations while we add to the breeding bloodlines in China, where (hopefully!) they can be released into the wild once again as a protected species in that country. Our prolific Bai Yun doesn't have much of a breeding window left as she is getting up in years. If we cannot sustain a young group of pandas, I cannot see how we can hope to gain a breeding population for trade with China without the Chinese panda input….(catch 22, it would seem).
I have another question regarding Chinese breeding procedures. Do any of their pandas breed naturally or are they all inseminated and the cubs removed to nurseries? If so, their zoos are missing out on the joy we experience as we watch Bai Yun with her wonderful cubs and their young panda dams (like our adorable Hua Mei) are not experiencing the complicated motherhood tasks that they can one day replicate in the wild. Giant Panda rearing procedures in the wild are so dangerous and precarious, it is no wonder the species has declined to dangerous numbers.
Thank you staff for any help in answering these questions preying on my mind as I watch the beautiful ones.
September 19th, 2007 at 9:38 am
Hi
Thank you Maureen #126 for that story. I've never heard that before.
September 19th, 2007 at 10:03 am
Thank you Maureen (#126) for you story. I had never heard this before and love it. It sounds so similar to the Haida Indian stories from around where I live.
Our precious baby is doing so well now. Bai leaves her for long periods now but when she gets back it's cute to see her wake up baby and cuddle, etc. her. We like our time away but when we get home we want contact immediately.
September 19th, 2007 at 10:09 am
Wow, cubby is close to the outdoors in the doorway, sleeping peacefully beside Bai's face. She seems to be getting her used to the outdoors air and light gradually preparing her for their next " move." Cubby seems to enjoy the new environment and is content to stay beside mom.
Suzanne, has anyone documented when and why pandas enter pools of water, other than during estrus? I recall reading that SDZ pandas like to sit in water. I noticed that Tai Shan has been spending a lot of time in the water today. It is only in the 70's so I doubt it is because he is trying to cool off. He was just standing in it this morning, and this afternoon, he is slowly walking through it as if on a path enjoying the weather. Do they do it to scent mark (as in estrus) or for enjoyment, or to cool off, or all three? Or maybe for some completely different reason. Someone mentioned in an earlier blog in the past two weeks that either Su or Mei were sitting in their pool for a while. Since your temperatures have cooled down too, it is not likely that it was to cool off, was it?
September 19th, 2007 at 10:26 am
Thank you Maureen #126. I heard a story a long time ago that was very similiar. I am an old woman now but have loved pandas all of my life. My mother said when I was very litttle, I had a collection of stuffed pandas from little, little ones all the way up to ones that were my size. (3, 4, 5 years old??)
I have noticed today that Bright Star seems to be trying to get her front legs under her and raise the front of her up. Has anyone else noticed this. I think that is the start of trying to crawl?? I remember seeing Mei Sheng trying to crawl and tipping all the way over. He was so cute.
September 19th, 2007 at 10:31 am
#126 Maureen
Your stroy is loving and touching. I think I also read it from the ZA's website before. I would like to share another panda story thay is interesting too. It is a widely known mythology in Chinese society.
Panda was once called Pi Xiu in ancient time in China. It was said that Pi Xiu was the 9th and the youngest son of the Heaven the Great who ruled all over the heaven and the human world. As the most adorable son of his father, Pi Xiu ate all sorts of fortune, like gold, silver and precious stones. His most favorite hobby was eating. Besides eating, he defecated a lot all the time and at every corner of the palace of heaven. One day, a banquet was held by Heaven the Great to have a celebration with a cluster of heaven gods. Without losing a bit of his true qualities, Pi Xiu made quite a mess on the occasion. Feeling great embarrassment, his angry father gave him a heavy bang on his heavy bottom as punishment. After then, the bottom of Pi Xiu was blocked up and could never relieve any more.
Pi Xiu is one of the big five good fortune creatures in Ancient China that has long been believed in capable of bringing wealth to the ones who worshipped it. Today, the sculpture of Pi Xiu is commonly seen in shops particularly the jewelry shops, casino and some gambling places.
Besides, Pi Xiu has long been used as a household word for Chinese people, particularly the aged people like my father. When he says someone naughty, he would certainly say he is very " pei you†(Cantonese pronunciation of " pi xiuâ€) or " he is a pei you zhai (naughty guy). I couldn't understand his word when I was young, but now I really get the true meaning of it when seeing the lovable and goofy behavior of Tai Shan, Tian Tian and Yang Yang via the web.
If you are interested in that, you can visit any Chinese jewelry shop or antigue shop and ask the keeper to show you what the shape of Pi Xiu is. It's really like pandas in shape and disposition.
September 19th, 2007 at 11:00 am
to Patricia from Houston #126–welcome aboard! You are right–this is a great place to learn and share about the wonderful and sometimes mysterious world of pandas. The San Diego Zoo is an amazing institution and I can't begin to thank the res