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		<title>by: Margaret</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Kathy #39, I read that the keeper who is &quot;living&quot; with the polar bear cub in his exhibit, and feeding him around the clock, said that the cub &quot;will let me know when he no longer needs my help.&quot; I take that to mean that somehow he will indicate that he can eat on his own, and can then be fed without direct contact similar to the way all other polar bears are fed. Like you, I wonder at what age the natural predator instinct &quot;kicks in.&quot; 

It will be very interesting to see how this develops. If condors chicks can be &quot;taught&quot; to fend for themselves, and so do wolves, then it seems reasonable that this cub will also. What I wonder is if he will ever be able to be around other polar bears and learn how to use his instincts to hunt his prey. If not, other than artifical insemination, how will he ever be able to successfully court and breed? His may always have to be a somewhat pampered life in captivity without ever being directly exposed to any other polar bears. Sad, but possible.

He is very cute, and seems to be thriving. I wonder how close his exhibit space is to his mother. If she can smell him, which she might be able to do, I wonder what she is thinking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy #39, I read that the keeper who is &#8220;living&#8221; with the polar bear cub in his exhibit, and feeding him around the clock, said that the cub &#8220;will let me know when he no longer needs my help.&#8221; I take that to mean that somehow he will indicate that he can eat on his own, and can then be fed without direct contact similar to the way all other polar bears are fed. Like you, I wonder at what age the natural predator instinct &#8220;kicks in.&#8221; </p>
<p>It will be very interesting to see how this develops. If condors chicks can be &#8220;taught&#8221; to fend for themselves, and so do wolves, then it seems reasonable that this cub will also. What I wonder is if he will ever be able to be around other polar bears and learn how to use his instincts to hunt his prey. If not, other than artifical insemination, how will he ever be able to successfully court and breed? His may always have to be a somewhat pampered life in captivity without ever being directly exposed to any other polar bears. Sad, but possible.</p>
<p>He is very cute, and seems to be thriving. I wonder how close his exhibit space is to his mother. If she can smell him, which she might be able to do, I wonder what she is thinking?
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		<title>by: Kathy in Ohio</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In going back through some of the blogs from the latest updates, I noted that the Berlin Zoo's panda had passed away unexpectedly.  I was curious as to why, even though she was 22 yrs old.  They attribute it to constipation, and had not known she was.  This seems so unreal, that there wouldn't be any signs of distress.  I know their food must be very 'bulky' as it is so fibrous.  Maybe she didn't chew it enough.  How often does something like this happen to pandas?  Something to take note of and watch out for in our zoos here??  The article said that zoo visitors were alarmed that she wasn't moving for so long, and informed the keepers.  Such a sad thing.  On another note, the polar bear cub at Berlin certainly is charming.  I wonder when he will realize that his 'food source' provider IS his food source later in life!  It will be interesting to see how this will play out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In going back through some of the blogs from the latest updates, I noted that the Berlin Zoo&#8217;s panda had passed away unexpectedly.  I was curious as to why, even though she was 22 yrs old.  They attribute it to constipation, and had not known she was.  This seems so unreal, that there wouldn&#8217;t be any signs of distress.  I know their food must be very &#8216;bulky&#8217; as it is so fibrous.  Maybe she didn&#8217;t chew it enough.  How often does something like this happen to pandas?  Something to take note of and watch out for in our zoos here??  The article said that zoo visitors were alarmed that she wasn&#8217;t moving for so long, and informed the keepers.  Such a sad thing.  On another note, the polar bear cub at Berlin certainly is charming.  I wonder when he will realize that his &#8216;food source&#8217; provider IS his food source later in life!  It will be interesting to see how this will play out.
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		<title>by: Margaret</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The deed has been done, and the first &quot;mating&quot; of GaoGao for 2007 has taken place with the frozen semen at the NZP in Washington DC. Per their website, Mei Xiang was artificially inseminated yesterday evening and this morning. Now they wait and watch. Panda reproductive science is such a complex process that they may have to wait 3-6 months to know &quot;for sure.&quot;

So, fellow pandaholics, the beat goes on, and on, and on. Now all eyes turn to Bai Yun, and her estrus cycle. Shortly we will all be glued to Memphis as Ya Ya should be nearing delivery in the next month or so. I have not read about any ultrasound results there, so I don't know that they have yet be able to confirm a pregnancy or not. I know they are very optimistic and excited about the prognosis. 

It sure never gets dull in USA Panda World. Always a cub milestone to watch, or breeding to be done, or birth to occur. Spring is sure in the air! They also inseminated a female elephant over the weekend, so the NZP vets have been busy. I imagine that SDZ and WAP vets are busy too, with births occuring every couple of weeks, and the loss of precious lion cub Mandisa. 

Makes working even harder. This East Coast - West  Coast timing is a challenge for working people. But it is worth every spare minute to get updated on the new members of the &quot;conservation core.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The deed has been done, and the first &#8220;mating&#8221; of GaoGao for 2007 has taken place with the frozen semen at the NZP in Washington DC. Per their website, Mei Xiang was artificially inseminated yesterday evening and this morning. Now they wait and watch. Panda reproductive science is such a complex process that they may have to wait 3-6 months to know &#8220;for sure.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, fellow pandaholics, the beat goes on, and on, and on. Now all eyes turn to Bai Yun, and her estrus cycle. Shortly we will all be glued to Memphis as Ya Ya should be nearing delivery in the next month or so. I have not read about any ultrasound results there, so I don&#8217;t know that they have yet be able to confirm a pregnancy or not. I know they are very optimistic and excited about the prognosis. </p>
<p>It sure never gets dull in USA Panda World. Always a cub milestone to watch, or breeding to be done, or birth to occur. Spring is sure in the air! They also inseminated a female elephant over the weekend, so the NZP vets have been busy. I imagine that SDZ and WAP vets are busy too, with births occuring every couple of weeks, and the loss of precious lion cub Mandisa. </p>
<p>Makes working even harder. This East Coast - West  Coast timing is a challenge for working people. But it is worth every spare minute to get updated on the new members of the &#8220;conservation core.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Lisa Anderson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I would be very surprised if DC allowed Tai and Mei Xiang together again. Wouldn't that be a big setback, and make it harder (especially for Tai), in the long run? He seemed very down after seperating from Mei Xiang.....although I can see them allowing Mei and Tian together after her AI procedure. Da big guy just seems so lonely without his ladylove!
I am really looking forward to Bai Yun and Gao Gao's getting together when the time is right. I have never had the pleasure of seeing them interact, and am wondering if they are all business, or are there some playful moments involved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be very surprised if DC allowed Tai and Mei Xiang together again. Wouldn&#8217;t that be a big setback, and make it harder (especially for Tai), in the long run? He seemed very down after seperating from Mei Xiang&#8230;..although I can see them allowing Mei and Tian together after her AI procedure. Da big guy just seems so lonely without his ladylove!<br />
I am really looking forward to Bai Yun and Gao Gao&#8217;s getting together when the time is right. I have never had the pleasure of seeing them interact, and am wondering if they are all business, or are there some playful moments involved?
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		<title>by: Candy in Iowa</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Gao Gao - you studmuffin!  I just reaad on the NZ website that you may become a Daddy again, this time with Mei Xiang!  Good luck to you and both zoos!  We can now wait from news from Memphis, NZ and hopefully SDZ besides watching Mei Lan in Atlanta!  It keeps getting better and better every year!!! 

What an incredible job these researchers are doing!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gao Gao - you studmuffin!  I just reaad on the NZ website that you may become a Daddy again, this time with Mei Xiang!  Good luck to you and both zoos!  We can now wait from news from Memphis, NZ and hopefully SDZ besides watching Mei Lan in Atlanta!  It keeps getting better and better every year!!! </p>
<p>What an incredible job these researchers are doing!!!
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		<title>by: Candy from Iowa</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>To all of us who have wondered about the practice of China separating the cubs from their mothers at 6 months vs leaving them with their mothers to raise until they are 1 1/2 yr.old like our U.S. zoos have done, there is an interesting article about it at the Atlanta zoo website.  They comment that is still early in the study but they are seeing some behavioral difference.  It always makes me cringe when I read how young those litttle cubs are but at least they are with playmates their own age and not confined all by themselves.  Our US cubs are very lucky that they are allowed to mimic Mother nature's ways!

I've never had any doubt that the care our animals get here is the BEST!  GREAT JOB!  I think we are in for a VERY exciting year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all of us who have wondered about the practice of China separating the cubs from their mothers at 6 months vs leaving them with their mothers to raise until they are 1 1/2 yr.old like our U.S. zoos have done, there is an interesting article about it at the Atlanta zoo website.  They comment that is still early in the study but they are seeing some behavioral difference.  It always makes me cringe when I read how young those litttle cubs are but at least they are with playmates their own age and not confined all by themselves.  Our US cubs are very lucky that they are allowed to mimic Mother nature&#8217;s ways!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never had any doubt that the care our animals get here is the BEST!  GREAT JOB!  I think we are in for a VERY exciting year!
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		<title>by: Margaret</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow! I finally got to see Princess Su Lin climbing &quot;her&quot; tree in her new home. She walks around like she is the proud owner of her new &quot;teen pad.&quot; She quickly climbs up for her view of the area, and pauses for a look for who else might be around. &quot;Hey big brother, are you in?&quot; I am waiting to see if he answers from his perch or his ground floor &quot;patio.&quot;

Do they bleat at each other only when they are in the trees, or if one of them is up and one is on the ground? Can they hear clearly what the other is &quot;saying&quot; from such great distances?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I finally got to see Princess Su Lin climbing &#8220;her&#8221; tree in her new home. She walks around like she is the proud owner of her new &#8220;teen pad.&#8221; She quickly climbs up for her view of the area, and pauses for a look for who else might be around. &#8220;Hey big brother, are you in?&#8221; I am waiting to see if he answers from his perch or his ground floor &#8220;patio.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do they bleat at each other only when they are in the trees, or if one of them is up and one is on the ground? Can they hear clearly what the other is &#8220;saying&#8221; from such great distances?
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		<title>by: Marilynne</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My husband and I visited the zoo in December when we were out there for a vacation. The highlight of my zoo visit was the pandas. I was rather disappointed when I learned that Mei Sheng was off exhibit as my students and I watched him grow up on panda cam, and I really wanted to get a picture of him. BUT I enjoyed getting to observe Bai Yun and Su Lin as well as take pictures. Bai Yun even posed for us. I really wanted to jump in the enclosure and give her a big hug. What a beautiful creature. 

It will be very sad when Mei Sheng has to go to China as he is the first baby we had the privilege to observe, and we at Mannford Middle School are partial to him. Don't get me wrong, we have also observed Su Lin's progress and are almost as fond of her as we are of Mei Sheng. It will also be sad when she has to go as well. 

When will Bai Yun and Gao Gao have to return to China? Hopefully never. 

You all are doing a wonderful job with these creatures. Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I visited the zoo in December when we were out there for a vacation. The highlight of my zoo visit was the pandas. I was rather disappointed when I learned that Mei Sheng was off exhibit as my students and I watched him grow up on panda cam, and I really wanted to get a picture of him. BUT I enjoyed getting to observe Bai Yun and Su Lin as well as take pictures. Bai Yun even posed for us. I really wanted to jump in the enclosure and give her a big hug. What a beautiful creature. </p>
<p>It will be very sad when Mei Sheng has to go to China as he is the first baby we had the privilege to observe, and we at Mannford Middle School are partial to him. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, we have also observed Su Lin&#8217;s progress and are almost as fond of her as we are of Mei Sheng. It will also be sad when she has to go as well. </p>
<p>When will Bai Yun and Gao Gao have to return to China? Hopefully never. </p>
<p>You all are doing a wonderful job with these creatures. Keep up the good work.
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		<title>by: Suzanne</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Margaret #30,

Actually, Hua Mei was born in 1999 and Mei Sheng in 2003.  Mei sheng was just a babe-in-arms when Hua Mei returned to China.

Ellen #31,

it is unlikely that Su Lin and Bai Yun will ever have much opportunity to interact again.  Our philosophy is to mimic the wild situation as much as possible.  In the wild, evidence suggests pandas do not usually associate with their young once weaning has occurred.  The bears are exposed to each other via scent in the tunnels that they use to move from yard to yard, and this exposure mimics the way pandas would encounter scent in their wild environs, running across the paths of bears that had been there before them.  Our tunnels even have a few &quot;scent posts&quot; areas where Gao Gao, in particular, likes to leave scent marks behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret #30,</p>
<p>Actually, Hua Mei was born in 1999 and Mei Sheng in 2003.  Mei sheng was just a babe-in-arms when Hua Mei returned to China.</p>
<p>Ellen #31,</p>
<p>it is unlikely that Su Lin and Bai Yun will ever have much opportunity to interact again.  Our philosophy is to mimic the wild situation as much as possible.  In the wild, evidence suggests pandas do not usually associate with their young once weaning has occurred.  The bears are exposed to each other via scent in the tunnels that they use to move from yard to yard, and this exposure mimics the way pandas would encounter scent in their wild environs, running across the paths of bears that had been there before them.  Our tunnels even have a few &#8220;scent posts&#8221; areas where Gao Gao, in particular, likes to leave scent marks behind.
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		<title>by: ellen</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Suzanne
The NZ is saying that if and when Mei has an estrus (or not) she will be allowed to interact with Tai again for a little while. Will this be the case with Bai and Su? Or Mei Sheng? Has he seen his mother at all? I am glad to hear he is enjoying seeing his little sister. Does Gao ever see his children or interact with them?
Sorry for so many questions but I am new to the blogs and am trying to understand as much as I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzanne<br />
The NZ is saying that if and when Mei has an estrus (or not) she will be allowed to interact with Tai again for a little while. Will this be the case with Bai and Su? Or Mei Sheng? Has he seen his mother at all? I am glad to hear he is enjoying seeing his little sister. Does Gao ever see his children or interact with them?<br />
Sorry for so many questions but I am new to the blogs and am trying to understand as much as I can.
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